I asked a GM to clarify the new rules regarding hunts and early pulling

[Tigerlilley]

I have asked about this previously and was advised "early pulling" is not against the rules.

Now, it appears that may have changed, or, they don't know.




I asked again, how do we know if we are breaking rules if we don't know what the rules are? (Regarding hunts).



Apparently the answers are here on the official forum. So uh... is early pulling now against the rules since it could be "nuisance" or "obstruction of gameplay"?

To be honest, what concerns me more about this whole conversation, regardless on what opinions are held via hunts, is that they can't clarify any rules when asked specifically about something.

[Moonfish]

Why is this even a question? “Early pulls” don’t exist. People who spawn S ranks do not own those hunts, they’re a server wide monster in which anyone has the right to attack at any time.

[Tigerlilley]

Why is this even a question? “Early pulls” don’t exist. People who spawn S ranks do not own those hunts, they’re a server wide monster in which anyone has the right to attack at any time.

Except now, your "early pull" can be considered nuisance or obstruction of gameplay. That rule about it not being a thing used to stand, does it still? They can't answer the question, where as previously they could.

Personally, no, I don't think early pulling is a thing. But there are a LOT OF PEOPLE that do. On any world. This used to be a easy cut a dry "No" response. Now it isn't.

[Nghthawk]

Why is this even a question? “Early pulls” don’t exist. People who spawn S ranks do not own those hunts, they’re a server wide monster in which anyone has the right to attack at any time.

Marley beat me to it, there is no such thing as "Early pulling" all mobs are open to everyone, as far as obstruction of game play it's considered optional content. There is a reason that the new policy set forth is vague.

[Unmitigated]

There's no such thing as early pulling, that would imply there's a set time and it doesn't exist.

[Moonfish]

Except now, your "early pull" can be considered nuisance or obstruction of gameplay. That rule about it not being a thing used to stand, does it still? They can't answer the question, where as previously they could.

Personally, no, I don't think early pulling is a thing. But there are a LOT OF PEOPLE that do. On any world. This used to be a easy cut a dry "No" response. Now it isn't.

It’s still cut and dry. No one owns these monsters. What actually is a nuisance are people resetting mobs because of these supposed “early pulls” and erasing everyone’s credit towards killing it. That is hindering gameplay. People need to stop looking at the updated rules so hard, this is not the end of the game we currently know.

[Vaer]

Except now, your "early pull" can be considered nuisance or obstruction of gameplay. That rule about it not being a thing used to stand, does it still? They can't answer the question, where as previously they could.

Personally, no, I don't think early pulling is a thing. But there are a LOT OF PEOPLE that do. On any world. This used to be a easy cut a dry "No" response. Now it isn't.

I consider obstruction of gameplay like killing a mob a blue mage is trying to learn a spell from on purpose or resetting mobs.

If early pulling was considered obstruction you could report someone for pulling a random mob you wanted to pull, or finishing a FATE before people get there which is frankly ridiculous.

[DBriggs304]

The new rules simply mean don't be a jerk.
It's quite simple really.

[Vnolan]

So uh... is early pulling now against the rules since it could be "nuisance" or "obstruction of gameplay"?

Early pulling with the intent to grief has always been reportable. Early pulling by itself is allowed. The updated rules indirectly allow for more early pulling if anything, as they allow the GMs to address the harassment, bullying and mob mentality that can accompany it.

For a better chance at a clear answer for topics in general, you'd want to speak to a GM directly. I've asked questions about RMT and received automated responses about grief tactics and third-party applications. Was like my question wasn't read or someone hit the wrong automated response button.

[Deceptus]

Simple: You don't own the mob. No one does. Even if you spawned it.

They're in the open world, first come, first serve.

Stop with the entitlement.