I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

[Nedkel]

I kick players every couple of days for this.

Level 65 dungeon and someone has lvl 60 gear or under? Out.
Level 70 dungeon and you're not in full 70 gear, even if it's just the class stuff? Out.
Level 60 dungeon and you're using full level 50 gear? Out.

I'm sorry but personally, I am not here to carry anyone. Besides, 9/10 times when you question these type of people why they are doing that, you will be insulted, overall met with hostility, or the famous "you don't pay my sub."

They're right, I don't pay their sub, what they don't seem to understand is that they don't pay mine either. No one is under any obligation to play with these kinds of people and carry them.

Why do some people defend this behaviour?

I'm sorry but how is wearing terribly under leveled gear or plain and simply the wrong gear acceptable? Why is wasting the time of everyone else in the party acceptable? 1 person isn't more important than the group, it's the other way around.

Wearing the wrong gear is not considered playing your own way.
Wearing level 50 gear in a level 60 dungeon is not considered playing your own way.
No one is asking anyone to be the top players.
No one is asking anyone to minmax and output the highest level of damage possible.
No one is asking for anything out of this world.
We are asking for BASIC COMPETENCE.

This is bannable offence.
You are asking someone to get ilvl above requirements.
In roulette for 50-60lvl item level is synced to the duty so it only requires 45 ilvl, on lvl 70 dungeons roulette there is an avg item level of 330 required, an 360 for expert dungeons.
If they could play the duty, they meet the requirements and you are just obstructing their gameplay by kicking them for gear they wear, its against the ToS.

[CazzT]

this is just sad....like its not even that serious. i hope players kick you for being rude

How is he being rude? Asking why a caster is wearing STR/DEX gear is a legitimate question. If that player starts to argue after someone tries to help them and corrects bad info they were given, how is that Jack being rude?

It almost sounds like you're one of those people who would argue and get mad when told the bad info you've been told is wrong.

[JackHatchet]

In roulette for 50-60lvl item level is synced to the duty so it only requires 45 ilvl, on lvl 70 dungeons roulette there is an avg item level of 330 required, an 360 for expert dungeons.

The problem with wearing the wrong gear is it allows you to circumvent the item level requirements to join. Say for example someone in all crafting gear can still reach ilvl 45, but they'd absolutely not be qualified to run a lvl 50. Which is really my point about the toxicity of people wearing the wrong gear.

However, I agree with you that if someone is decked out in job appropriate lvl 45 gear, and they get into a lvl 50--they should be fine.

[JackHatchet]

How is he being rude? Asking why a caster is wearing STR/DEX gear is a legitimate question. If that player starts to argue after someone tries to help them and corrects bad info they were given, how is that Jack being rude?

It almost sounds like you're one of those people who would argue and get mad when told the bad info you've been told is wrong.

He was trolling me in another thread, so I think he's just that kind of a person. I debated about replying or not, but I'll save you the headache!

[Crystal_Raven]

This is bannable offence.
You are asking someone to get ilvl above requirements.
In roulette for 50-60lvl item level is synced to the duty so it only requires 45 ilvl, on lvl 70 dungeons roulette there is an avg item level of 330 required, an 360 for expert dungeons.
If they could play the duty, they meet the requirements and you are just obstructing their gameplay by kicking them for gear they wear, its against the ToS.

Their playstyle doesn't fit with the rest of the party or my own at all. Therefore I am removing them from the party, which requires more people than just me, and if they get removed, that means multiple people in the party agreed we are better off without them. Not to mention you can circumvent that "restriction" by equipping the WRONG gear, for example having accessories for magical damage when you're pure melee.

End of story. There is no discussion to be had here.

[Kaethra]

Their playstyle doesn't fit with the rest of the party or my own at all. Therefore I am removing them from the party, which requires more people than just me, and if they get removed, that means multiple people in the party agreed we are better off without them.

End of story. There is no discussion to be had here.

This is the very truth. You have a majority in the group kicking someone out. Its not easy to get a case of harassment even if the intent of the kick is to harass someone. You'll need evidence of the lines of the players kicking (the other three) saying they are going to kick for reason of the kicked players RL race, gender, religion, ect. Believe it or not, kicking you for your character's race, religion (can we even check that?), class or even how you RP them are all legit reasons to kick.

And the simple matter is, they are going to rule with the majority. If you are playing in a way that disagrees with three other people. YOU are disrupting the play of THREE other people. They have the right not to play with you and to play with each other. If they agree a kick makes this happen, then the kick ought to happen.

The real issue is why anyone would go through the effort to make a report on this? Why would you all get upset over this? If you are kicked from a group because you play a way THREE other people don't like. Why not simply let it go? Why would you even want to group with those people? Why do people want to force grouping with people that don't wish to be with them? This is ultimately a game. We're here to have fun. What is fun about grouping with people who don't like you?

That's the question that remains unanswered.

[Nezerius]

This is bannable offence.

It falls under "Difference of playstyle", and therefore not a bannable offense.

You are asking someone to get ilvl above requirements.

They're hardly asking for anything outlandish.

• Sub-lvl 60, or sub-i270 gear in Bardam's Mettle (lvl 65 dungeon) can be a detriment to the group, especially if it's a tank.
• Running a lvl 70 dungeon without at least having the lvl 70 job set is just pure laziness. I'd understand having some accessories below lvl 70 (although you can get 4 i330 accessories with a total of 220 centurio seals. Less than a day's worth of daily marks).
• Running a lvl 60 dungeon with just lvl 50 gear is, again, pure laziness, as the lvl 60 job quest gives the AF2 set nowadays.

If they could play the duty, they meet the requirements and you are just obstructing their gameplay by kicking them for gear they wear, its against the ToS.

Kicking due to "Difference of playstyle" would still be a legit option that doesn't go against the ToS.

[van_arn]

This is the very truth. You have a majority in the group kicking someone out. Its not easy to get a case of harassment even if the intent of the kick is to harass someone. You'll need evidence of the lines of the players kicking (the other three) saying they are going to kick for reason of the kicked players RL race, gender, religion, ect. Believe it or not, kicking you for your character's race, religion (can we even check that?), class or even how you RP them are all legit reasons to kick.

And the simple matter is, they are going to rule with the majority. If you are playing in a way that disagrees with three other people. YOU are disrupting the play of THREE other people. They have the right not to play with you and to play with each other. If they agree a kick makes this happen, then the kick ought to happen.

The real issue is why anyone would go through the effort to make a report on this? Why would you all get upset over this? If you are kicked from a group because you play a way THREE other people don't like. Why not simply let it go? Why would you even want to group with those people? Why do people want to force grouping with people that don't wish to be with them? This is ultimately a game. We're here to have fun. What is fun about grouping with people who don't like you?

That's the question that remains unanswered.

The real question is why doesn't Square action accounts for frivolous reports.

Or maybe they do and we just don't hear about it?

[splinter1545]

You do realize that a vast majority of people have duty queue anxiety and that they simply don't want to talk to you and just want you to shut up right?

This is an MMO. I understand having anxiety (as I also have it), but this isn't our problem. If someone is asking you a question or talking to you about something in relation to the piece of content you're doing and/or gear/skill, then you better speak up and say something. Interacting with people is part of the game and genre, whether you want to or not, so if that's something they want to do then they either do Squadron runs or go play a different genre.

Just let them play however they want to play.

No thanks. If they don't want to get the gear or learn their rotations, then I want nothing to do with them. This mentality is literally the same reason why we have these types of players, and I can't fathom why this is the only community that actually encourages this type of behavior.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

Still no answer on the original topic. Your main beef seems to be improper stats and people carrying that into lvl 70 content. Which they can't. Unless they are wearing gear FAR below the ilvl requirement which would usually mean they couldn't even que for the duty. But whatever. I mean if you see Shire stuff in anything but Ala Mhigo then yeah. Das Boot.

The long/short of it: if you kick a player for gross underperformance (not just dps but like...can't hold hate or can't keep themselves or the party healed or are just constantly down because the mob sneezed) I don't think anyone in this thread would bat an eye. While ilvl affects what duties you can enter it has NO EFFECT WHAT SO EVER on player skill or competency. It's just a minimum to ensure the party can clear the content. The stat thing is a low level duty problem. You better hope we never get a que together because I will not pass that vote unless the person cannot clear the content and I won't even need to look at their gear to know that. Just saying.