Shadowbringer: Summoner Changes Discussion

[Dyvid]

DWT and phoenix share a 1 minute cooldown as of the build used for the shadowbringers media tour, so a sequence like that is impossible. It'll be closer to,

DWT > DB > 25s of filler > FBT+DP together > 40s of filler

Dreadwyrm Trance's 1 minute cooldown does not even start ticking again until you cast phoenix, so like aetherflow now there will be big incentive to make sure you use it instantly. No matter when you cast phoenix, the soonest you can hit dwt again is 1 minute later, so if phoenix is ready and you don't summon it, it delays all your subsequent demi primals for the rest of the fight.

Ugh, thought it was separate. That those filler times kind of sucks and is a huge chunk of time to fill.

- you've used more ED/festers then you could
- I don't think bahamut works well with R3-R2 (not to mention R2 is weak now and kinda better to be avoided unless moving outside trans).

I'm more curious about

DWT-R3-EGI1-R3-EGI2-R3-EGI1-R3-EGI2
BAH-R4-R4-R4-R4-(R4)

pattern, to avoid more R2s and not waste R4 during instant casting where R3 is good.

And hoping pets will actually "plan" EGI1/EGI2 well enough to charge all 4 during DWT "somehow" (they will most likely do autoattack in between :/)

(festers/banes will go into free ocd DWT/BAH phase)

Well I didn't account for stacking. I'm still trying to figure out a way to weave Aetherflow abilities into the Bahamut phase. I'm really hand on it before I go with a rotation.

[Elenoe]

that's why this could work. You can weave anything in R4s if wanted. But it's not required anymore since BAH/PHX don't seem to be triggered by oGCD anyway.

And aside Bane on CD I think ED/Festers will have their own place "somewhere".. not really related to DWT/demis phase. (Since BAH/PHX not aligned and since ED is 30s now and requires a target. I'm quite sure there won't be one every time it's off CD. That was nice about Aetherflow, unless stunned you could've used it while waiting for boss)

[Len]

that's why this could work. You can weave anything in R4s if wanted. But it's not required anymore since BAH/PHX don't seem to be triggered by oGCD anyway.

And aside Bane on CD I think ED/Festers will have their own place "somewhere".. not really related to DWT/demis phase. (Since BAH/PHX not aligned and since ED is 30s now and requires a target. I'm quite sure there won't be one every time it's off CD. That was nice about Aetherflow, unless stunned you could've used it while waiting for boss)

Would be cool if we had an ability similar to Umbral Soul that allowed us to gain aetherflow during downtime that puts Energy Drain/Siphon on CD that can only be used in combat.

[Myon88]

Would be cool if we had an ability similar to Umbral Soul that allowed us to gain aetherflow during downtime that puts Energy Drain/Siphon on CD that can only be used in combat.

Energy siphon only does 100 potency anyway, and since they're so afraid of hotbar bloat, why not just scrap it and give us that ability instead. It recharges our aether and can be used any time in the fight to keep the rotation flowing.

Aether...flow... I know, we should call it Aetherflow.

[Len]

Energy siphon only does 100 potency anyway, and since they're so afraid of hotbar bloat, why not just scrap it and give us that ability instead. It recharges our aether and can be used any time in the fight to keep the rotation flowing.

Aether...flow... I know, we should call it Aetherflow.

That's way too radical of an ability.

[Zionite]

Well I'm guessing it'll be DWT > DB > DP > filler > repeat or 15s > 20s > 20s > 5s.

What’s DB and DP?

[TraeSnow]

What’s DB and DP?

Demi Bahamut and Demi Phoenix

[Len]

Why aren't people more players up in arms over the uselessness of Everlasting Flight? (For anyone that doesn't know: Demi-Phoenix applies a 20 potency/20 seconds AoE regen effect on the entire party upon being summoned.)

As a recurring summon in Final Fantasy, Phoenix usually revives/heals to full. That's not feasible for this game. So the developers best idea was a garbage regen? DELETE IT.

[Kurando]

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Unfortunately giving Phoenix it's original potential in this game would just make it OP. You can't have auto-life as it would make the job a must pick and you could attempt to cheat certain mechs with it (similar to tank's invuln actions), and then you can't have a mass group rez because that's essentially what LB3 is supposed to do. So what can Phoenix have that isn't too broken but still taps in to the lore of it being a utility/damage based summon.... I'm not sure Regen was the only option but what can you give it that isn't going to make other jobs complain of X being able to do Y while something else can't etc (happens already and surprised there aren't more threads calling for Verregen).

Still the action as it stands is not that powerful but it has potential to change in later patches just like Devotion was in SB. So moving forward as long as the entire job flows well or has patches to get to that if necessary then perhaps Everlasting Light well get more attention for adjustments.

[Jandor]

Unfortunately giving Phoenix it's original potential in this game would just make it OP.

They could have not picked Phoenix