They're just trolling SCH players now

[Greven]

They probably meant capabilities as an healer.

The line between semplify and optimise is subtle but it for sure gives them more space to go wild with boss mechanics which would be an trade I'd personally approve.

[Riblet]

I thought this thread was going to be about the Sacred Soil tool tip at the media tour. It still has "Cannot be used with any other area-creating actions" on it, even though they took away our Shadowflare. Thanks for rubbing it in Square Enix. Thanks.

[MintnHoney]

I thought this thread was going to be about the Sacred Soil tool tip at the media tour. It still has "Cannot be used with any other area-creating actions" on it, even though they took away our Shadowflare. Thanks for rubbing it in Square Enix. Thanks.

Maybe they're making it so that, if you use it with Asylum or Collective Unconscious, whatever comes first will be overwritten.

[Yuyuka3]

I have to admit, I'm starting to get quite annoyed. Yes, SCH lost some skills (why the heck are you listing Protect there, though, you do realize that's a skill WHM lost in SH, right? It was never yours...), but can you please stop acting as if the job is unplayable now? Or do you imply that AST and WHM are also unplayable, because, oh my! Their DPS rotations aren't any different? You lost nothing that made SCH so good, it will still be meta in ShB, chill out. It's been overdue for 4 freaking years now that SCH gets knocked down a peck, and this isn't even doing that.

WHM still has a healing focus and very few shields, but they have a lot more ogcd burst heal and have gained aetherflow stacks on a timer (new lily system) making them much closer to SCHs.

Can people please stop spreading misinformation? NONE of the Afflatus-skills are oGCD; they are instant-GCD skills. Unless you are referring to Assize and Tetra, but we had those since HW, so...

I do agree with you for the most part, though, even if I find it sad that jobs aren't complementary anymore.

[LegoTechnic]

I have to admit, I'm starting to get quite annoyed. Yes, SCH lost some skills (why the heck are you listing Protect there, though, you do realize that's a skill WHM lost in SH, right? It was never yours...), but can you please stop acting as if the job is unplayable now? Or do you imply that AST and WHM are also unplayable, because, oh my! Their DPS rotations aren't any different? You lost nothing that made SCH so good, it will still be meta in ShB, chill out. It's been overdue for 4 freaking years now that SCH gets knocked down a peck, and this isn't even doing that.


Can people please stop spreading misinformation? NONE of the Afflatus-skills are oGCD; they are instant-GCD skills. Unless you are referring to Assize and Tetra, but we had those since HW, so...

I do agree with you for the most part, though, even if I find it sad that jobs aren't complementary anymore.

This is my bad, because I'm not fully up with all the minute changes. I have people telling me that fairy abilities are still ogcd abilities but with cast-actions like Fey Union now, so you can no longer cast Whispering Dawn during a Broil cast, and I also have people telling me they don't think this is true, so I'm not fully clear on the exact particulars. From my understanding Benison is an ogcd ability, as are Assize and Tetra, though the three new Afflatus are spells as opposed to abilities, so they do probably proc a full GCD afterwards. Sorry about that.

My personal opinion about SCH is that removing abilities and complexity is a shame. My major regret is that they reverted the Aetherflow trait that reduced its cooldown each time you burned a stack, and also (and much more significantly) that they took away Energy Drain, as that change right there is probably the biggest regret I have for the class. Being able to both dump unneeded stacks into mana-steal as well as pump up some burst DPS was great, and with the trait you always had that incentive to burn your stacks at regular pacing. You don't have that incentive any longer, or even an incentive to use stacks at all if they aren't needed, and a unique part of SCH design since ARR was removed (meaning ED, as the trait was fairly new, but I liked it a lot). That's depressing. The Aetherflow resource dynamic in deciding between available instant heals and DPS burst was a minor thing, but it was fun and unique to SCH and it's completely gone now, and if you were the type of player who legitimately enjoyed SCH over the other two healing options, then you're probably going to miss it.

[PondHollow]

That's the line you focused on as being "Trolling"? Not the one that goes "Instead of focusing on dealing damage while relying on the other healer to provide healing, both healers will be able support each other in the healing role. "?

Yeah because that has never been true, and the whole remark about 'off healers' just shows the speaker doesn't heal raids. For the whole of Stormblood, optimally, the other healer would use as many GCDs as possible to deal damage so that the Scholar would heal with OGCDS.

It's been overdue for 4 freaking years now that

the other healers needed better DPS rotations. Don't insist on making one job worse to be as bad as others. Crab mentality is unproductive. You are condoning explicit and blatant laziness.

[Reiryuu]

I have to admit, I'm starting to get quite annoyed. Yes, SCH lost some skills (why the heck are you listing Protect there, though, you do realize that's a skill WHM lost in SH, right? It was never yours...),.

Umm.. White mage lost Protect in Heavensward, not Stormblood. Just thought I'd correct you there. It's stoneskin we lost in Stormblood... only to be given the "new" skill of Divine Benison... like stoneskin, but on a cooldown and instant...

the other healers needed better DPS rotations. Don't insist on making one job worse to be as bad as others. Crab mentality is unproductive. You are condoning explicit and blatant laziness.

To be fair, I don't think she meant "taken down a notch" in the sense that SCH should get gutted, but more that the other jobs would be risen to its level so it didn't shine above them as much. I could be wrong, though.

[Semirhage]

To be fair, I don't think she meant "taken down a notch" in the sense that SCH should get gutted, but more that the other jobs would be risen to its level so it didn't shine above them as much. I could be wrong, though.

Speaking as someone who's wanted (and never received) a fun identity for White Mage for several expansions now, it's a bit of that, combined with frustration at seeing another Groundhog Day. Woohoo, another expansion where they nerf Scholar the wrong way, where all three healers have legitimate problems with their jobs, where Scholar is the only one that will get the red carpet rolled out and buffed straight back up to the most overpowered job in the game within 2-3 weeks, Astro will get the consolation spa day a month after that, and Chopped Liver over there can stay in the cupboard under the stairs because their complaining is getting annoying.

[Yuyuka3]

the other healers needed better DPS rotations. Don't insist on making one job worse to be as bad as others. Crab mentality is unproductive. You are condoning explicit and blatant laziness.

I insisted nothing like that, and I'm most definitely NOT condoning laziness. Am as mad as you, just about other things, like, you know WHM still getting jack sh*t. Want lazy design? How about taking skills away from a job just to give them back at a higher level, or giving them skills they already had with a different animation and slightly altered functionality, instead of fixing their actual problem people told them exist for 4 freaking years now? Or how about just creating a job that is a blattant copy-paste of the other healers? If you want to see lazy job design, look at WHM and AST. That are lazy design choices. SCH, at the end of the day, still feels different from the others to me at least.
If you would look around a bit, you might notice that I advocated for bringing the other healers on par (especially WHM) instead of nerfing SCH for ages now. Also, did you even read my post in full? I literally said "It's been overdue for 4 freaking years now that SCH gets knocked down a peck, and this isn't even doing that.". I quite literally said this isn't the way to get healers level. I also always said that each healer should be different from the others, but hey, just jump my throat, it's fine, I can take it. Reading comprehension is a pretty useful skill and I would recommend you work on it.

Umm.. White mage lost Protect in Heavensward, not Stormblood. Just thought I'd correct you there. It's stoneskin we lost in Stormblood... only to be given the "new" skill of Divine Benison... like stoneskin, but on a cooldown and instant...


To be fair, I don't think she meant "taken down a notch" in the sense that SCH should get gutted, but more that the other jobs would be risen to its level so it didn't shine above them as much. I could be wrong, though.

Didn't we 'just' loose the unique trait in HW? I meant it vanishing from our skill tree completely, but I agree that the real loss was in HW already and they could just as well have given that skill to everyone back then already, wouldn't have made any difference. It's just so easy to blame SB (I also just spotted a typo there, shouldn't post when it's so late it seems) since we lost so freaking much back then... and I'm honest, seeing people that told us to just shut up, it won't be so bad back then now cry all the same both feels karmic and annoying at the same time...

Also, I kinda meant both. SCH needed a slight nerf, just not by betting gutted but by adjustment of skills instead, but the others also needed a buff. However, just cutting their DPS won't even do that all that much since the healing kit is practically untouched or even improved, and that's what gave SCH all those windows for DPS in the first place. So I would have seen their superiority in healing cut down a bit than DPS, or if they had to change their DPS, by adjusting potencies. Instead they got even better at healing, which makes them step on the others toes just all that much more.

Speaking as someone who's wanted (and never received) a fun identity for White Mage for several expansions now, it's a bit of that, combined with frustration at seeing another Groundhog Day. Woohoo, another expansion where they nerf Scholar the wrong way, where all three healers have legitimate problems with their jobs, where Scholar is the only one that will get the red carpet rolled out and buffed straight back up to the most overpowered job in the game within 2-3 weeks, Astro will get the consolation spa day a month after that, and Chopped Liver over there can stay in the cupboard under the stairs because their complaining is getting annoying.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to that so much already as well.../s
And if then someone comes back to me telling me to chill, it's not that bad, WHM is in a good spot, they get told a few things they can do in quite explicit terms and I'll gladly take the ensuing ban. I'm so having enough of that bullshit already, you won't guess. Or probably will, you are in the same boat after all...

[Reiryuu]

Speaking as someone who's wanted (and never received) a fun identity for White Mage for several expansions now, it's a bit of that, combined with frustration at seeing another Groundhog Day. Woohoo, another expansion where they nerf Scholar the wrong way, where all three healers have legitimate problems with their jobs, where Scholar is the only one that will get the red carpet rolled out and buffed straight back up to the most overpowered job in the game within 2-3 weeks, Astro will get the consolation spa day a month after that, and Chopped Liver over there can stay in the cupboard under the stairs because their complaining is getting annoying.

Amen is all I can really say to that T_T; And then in 6.0 we'll get a new Magic DPS job (gotta have 4 and we just got a rdps) and a new Melee DPS job that uses dragoon armor because we've needed another one of those forever, right? And "Oh? What? Healers? (who the hell were they again?) Oh... right... we uh... still need to balance them... yeah... that's it...