Stop telling healers to go play dps

[ChocoFeru]

You'll be able to do DPS as healer in Shadowbringers. The difference is that it will be way easier this time.

Some healers, even top ones, are the main cause of wipes in raid content because they don't know how to DPS and heal at the same time, so I guess SE had to change healers a bit so they can keep doing DPS but be able to heal at the same time.

I'm not a healer and I'm really happy of the changes. I was really TIRED of healers not healing, and maybe you were having fun, but I wasn't.

[althenawhm]

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And some DPS cant do their rotation and doge AoEs at the same time, but I dont support gutting them just because there are a few idiots out there.

[ChocoFeru]

And some DPS cant do their rotation and doge AoEs at the same time, but I dont support gutting them just because there are a few idiots out there.

Atleast it can be solved healing them to prevent a wipe. Well, only if the healer is healing, wich is something rare nowadays.

PS: they simplyfied DPS as well, by the way. They got some stackable OGCDs to simplify rotations, tanks as well, and I don't see any thread discussing about it.

[Knoahl]

Atleast it can be solved healing them to prevent a wipe. Well, only if the healer is healing, wich is something rare nowadays.

PS: they simplyfied DPS as well, by the way. They got some stackable OGCDs to simplify rotations, tanks as well, and I don't see any thread discussing about it.

They did not simplify dps, they actually gave tanks more ways to dps, and DPS like BLM got more ways to keep DPSing... more buttons to DPS, Same with RDM.

What are you even saying lol. If anything having the DoT's as potent as they were and the accuracy checkes encouraged healers to not dps and put DoTs up then focus on healing as spells would miss and be a waste of mana. But these days we are encouraged to put as many GCD's as possible into the boss with large potency single target spells, thus contradicting what you are saying tbh.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

They did not simplify dps, they actually gave tanks more ways to dps, and DPS like BLM got more ways to keep DPSing... more buttons to DPS, Same with RDM.

What are you even saying lol. If anything having the DoT's as potent as they were and the accuracy checkes encouraged healers to not dps and put DoTs up then focus on healing as spells would miss and be a waste of mana. But these days we are encouraged to put as many GCD's as possible into the boss with large potency single target spells, thus contradicting what you are saying tbh.

They have "nerfed" positional requirements and streamlined various aspects of tanks and DPS throughout the history of this game. 2.0 WAR, general positionals like Heavy Thrust on DRG and other DPS as well as changing delirium to make it easier. Removing DRK's DoT with Stormblood as well.

This ain't nothin' new.

[MintnHoney]

PS: ... DPS...

There are complaints about some of the DPS role jobs as well, with MCH being the biggest DPS job up for discussion and complaints due to how their upcoming changes would be severely hampered by potential latency (among other complaints).
The difference being that they didn't have parts of their identities burned and skills and abilities stolen away for the sake of "balancing" the role (and, to be honest, probably moreso for the sake of highlighting the Dancer).

I also don't like this idea that, if a different role or job doesn't have a problem, others can't either, and/or they shouldn't be brought up. If you're "tired of seeing" something, use that selective sight, that hasn't seen any of the discussion regarding the other Jobs, and simply "not see" these threads that you don't want to see. In the meantime, we have a bone to pick, and we're gonna pick it.

[ChocoFeru]

They did not simplify dps, they actually gave tanks more ways to dps, and DPS like BLM got more ways to keep DPSing... more buttons to DPS, Same with RDM.

What are you even saying lol. If anything having the DoT's as potent as they were and the accuracy checkes encouraged healers to not dps and put DoTs up then focus on healing as spells would miss and be a waste of mana. But these days we are encouraged to put as many GCD's as possible into the boss with large potency single target spells, thus contradicting what you are saying tbh.

More buttons doesn't mean more complicated. They simplified rotations because now it's easier to land OGCDs, so you can use them whenever it suits you instead of a fixed rotation that can be wasted due misuse of OGCDs, and you just said it; BLM will have more ways to DPS, so it will be easier to them to keep the damage up. No contradictions here.

There are complaints about some of the DPS role jobs as well, with MCH being the biggest DPS job up for discussion and complaints due to how their upcoming changes would be severely hampered by potential latency (among other complaints).
The difference being that they didn't have parts of their identities burned and skills and abilities stolen away for the sake of "balancing" the role (and, to be honest, probably moreso for the sake of highlighting the Dancer).

I also don't like this idea that, if a different role or job doesn't have a problem, others can't either, and/or they shouldn't be brought up. If you're "tired of seeing" something, use that selective sight, that hasn't seen any of the discussion regarding the other Jobs, and simply "not see" these threads that you don't want to see. In the meantime, we have a bone to pick, and we're gonna pick it.

These complains exists before every single expansion because people try to dig too deep and base their opinions on datamining/insufficient data. It's always the exact same thing. Nobody knows the statweights yet, and doesn't know the new potency formula, so all these opinions are quite invalid till we get our hands on the expansion.

And I'm still thinking the same way; healers needed some rework. Maybe we will get harder bosses with constant damage so we will need constant healing, who knows.

I'd just chill until the expansion instead of spamming the forums with complains.

[xbahax92]

I'd just chill until the expansion instead of spamming the forums with complains.

Sadly there is not enough to do in game, content has been squashed, dry, boring. Let people theorycraft and tell their opinion about the gamestyle they're approaching with healers. We already had this situation with Whitemage the whole time (now that Aero III gets removed as well). But now all Healers will DPS the same way while playing with their little feature (Fairy, Cards).

Its only understandable that people worry, I worry actually about low level content and roulettes. So far doing low level roulettes as Scholar (helping FC and friends) is most enjoyable as scholar, because your fairy does most of the healing, while you can aoe spread dots and get done with those limiting dungeons.

[NekoNova]

Sadly there is not enough to do in game, content has been squashed, dry, boring. Let people theorycraft and tell their opinion about the gamestyle they're approaching with healers. We already had this situation with Whitemage the whole time (now that Aero III gets removed as well). But now all Healers will DPS the same way while playing with their little feature (Fairy, Cards).

Its only understandable that people worry, I worry actually about low level content and roulettes. So far doing low level roulettes as Scholar (helping FC and friends) is most enjoyable as scholar, because your fairy does most of the healing, while you can aoe spread dots and get done with those limiting dungeons.

Not enough to do?
DO you have all achievements, titles, mounts, minions, jobs leveled ?

[Elgeron]

You'll be able to do DPS as healer in Shadowbringers. The difference is that it will be way easier this time.

Some healers, even top ones, are the main cause of wipes in raid content because they don't know how to DPS and heal at the same time, so I guess SE had to change healers a bit so they can keep doing DPS but be able to heal at the same time.

I'm not a healer and I'm really happy of the changes. I was really TIRED of healers not healing, and maybe you were having fun, but I wasn't.

First and foremost, healers rotation was already brain dead, specially if you played AST and WHM. And SCH wasn't really that much harder, Broil for spam, Ruin 2 to weave, 2 DoTs you have to keep track of, Bane to spread DoTs, Energy Drain weaved to recover MP and dump aetherflow and an AoE Dot. You really think that this change is really going to make bad healers, specially those that played AST and WHM, suddenly not screw up and let the tank die just because they have 1 less DoT? You really think they won't still do the same they were doing, and DPS until it is too late? We were able to heal at the same time, we used our OGCD skill to do so, buffed shields and regen, and weave some of these skill to maximaze DPS while keeping everyone safe. Hell we aren't even that bothered by the fact that so many DPS skills are gone, we are complaining that they are gone and they haven't given us anything fun or interesting to do in our downtime. AST card system, regardless of how good it is now, is simpler and require less though or RNG manipulation, SCH rotation is gone, and WHM hasn't receive anything to crazy either, but atleast they have the new lily system to work towards. Even worse, none of the complains of the classes have been adressed. WHM wanted utility, they received none. SCH wanted Selene to become useful, but SE decide just to erase while gutting us, and AST wanted some adjustment to the card balance to reduce the "fishing for Spread Balance", but instead now ALL card are balance, and you fish for seals. Hell, I have seen many AST being ok with nerfs, but this decision has create quite a divissive response, and many are unsure. So we not only didn't receive any of this, we were gutted and left with a more boring down time. And even if ShB somehow makes our downtime close to 0% of the fights, there still the issue of 6 year of content, ARR, HW, SB, solo and MSQ content, were we will have to DPS no matter what, because it is impossible for SE to balance the damage of all instances to ShB level.

Also this is rich. Of course you are ok with healers' gameplay being more boring and simple, it doesn't affect you. As long as they heal you and you have your fun is ok, uh? Also, bullshit, if a top healer doesn't know how to balance both DPS and heal, then they are not top healers. You post only shows that you have not real understanding of how healers class work.