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    Foxkid's Avatar
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    Ketsueki Bloodfox
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    Scholar Lv 80

    Is it wrong to play a game with your tank's life?

    Lately because of how comfortable I am being a healer in dungeons (only dungeons, raids not so much cause succor doesn't cut it for heavy aoe healing without ET), I've taken to being a little silly and playing what I call the "Tank Game" or the "HP Game" with my tanks where I basically just dps while doing as little healing as possible before I feel I need to step in to prevent his/her death and out of control aggro.

    If I can get them as low as possible without them hitting LD/Holm/HG and bring them up back up for the sake of doing so, I count "points" for how low I could get them (current lowest score was around 83 iirc before throwing a magic card his way to put him back to half again).

    But I do this in my "technical" downtime because I know the dungeons well enough and after gauging their defense after the first pull, but is it wrong that I do this despite never failing it yet just to spice up my time in the run or is it a habit I need to cut short?

    (Also, I let them know beforehand that I may or may not play it with them rather than surprise them with only Eos keeping them from bleeding too much while contributing dots to the pulls.)

    Although I do end up genuinely surprised when some of them actually make do the majority of the dungeon with only Eos (sans Fey Union) keeping them afloat and give them the proper respects for doing so.
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    Last edited by Foxkid; 06-07-2019 at 04:16 PM.

    Well, at least I'm trying...

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    Jace Ossura
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    Gilgamesh
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    If you let me die once, the trust is gone, and it's single pulls until the end, making the dungeon take twice as long.
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    Teah Bloodwrath
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    Just like how we aren't supposed to harm people with the ironically named "rescue" but we sometimes fall victim to the urge anyways :>
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    Shiru Elysia
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    It's not entirely wrong because it's "more or less" what's being done with our current healing toolkit.
    However, you call it a game, but the question isn't really "how low can he drop" but "how fast does he drop".
    It allows to gauge incoming damage and watch multiples things such as "does the tank has defensive CD on ?" and manage your oGCD ressources carefully.

    This way you can learn how hard mobs are hitting you're tank and what you're able to do.
    But generally speaking, you don't "need" to take that risk outside of making the essential dignity from AST and Benediction from WHM full effective.

    It makes part of the healing learning to test things on multiple content and see how you could adjust/improve.
    Healing anyone who barely lost HP doesn't make you be aware of the power of your healing tools nor makes you more confident.

    So don't worry to much.
    And if he dies and everyone in the party decide to blame you or even kick you... well, doesn't really matter. Not a nice feeling, sure, but that's how you'll understand and see.
    Anytime you heal in every type of content is a situation where you can learn something cause every party are different.
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    Last edited by KDSilver; 06-07-2019 at 04:31 PM.

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    King Canadane
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    As long as you don't let them die, there's no problem.
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    Gunnar Mel'nik
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    I already deal with healers being too lazy to heal me whether I'm a tank or DPS. It's distracting seeing my health get below 10% and having to do damage control to prevent a wipe. Do your job and don't take unnecessary risks.
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    Althena Rolair
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    White Mage Lv 90
    The only HP that matters is the last one.
    On the rare occasion that I run dungeons as a tank I dont bother looking at my HP anyway. I just pop my cooldowns every pull and trust the healer to do the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doozer View Post
    I already deal with healers being too lazy to heal me whether I'm a tank or DPS. It's distracting seeing my health get below 10% and having to do damage control to prevent a wipe. Do your job and don't take unnecessary risks.
    If you call that lazy you're definitly not a healer in this game and doesn't understand what's being worked on behind that.
    Sure, you might meet some real lazy healer as you call them, but it doesn't mean it's the entire playbase that's like that.
    Let the man see what he can adjust.
    Dungeons are meant to make people learn some things.
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    Player Doozer's Avatar
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    Gunnar Mel'nik
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDSilver View Post
    If you call that lazy you're definitly not a healer in this game and doesn't understand what's being worked on behind that.
    Sure, you might meet some real lazy healer as you call them, but it doesn't mean it's the entire playbase that's like that.
    Let the man see what he can adjust.
    Dungeons are meant to make people learn some things.
    I've mained AST since HW up until now. My signature even mentions being tired of healing. I love you assuming I must obviously know nothing and that's why I have the stance I have.

    So many healers take risks when it comes to healing anyone because they're so focused on DPS, doing something else, or "playing a game with their tank's life". I've played for many years and I've seen this with my own two eyeballs in real time. Do you understand now?

    There's a difference between safely letting their health dip before healing and going "hmmmm how low can I get this person's health before I bother doing anything? teehee". The latter is not fun for the tank. I say this as someone who has tanked quite a lot and have experienced it firsthand and witnessed it with my own two eyeballs in real time (yes I'm saying that again, just to avoid any confusing about where I'm getting this information from). If a healer is slacking on healing me, my performance can suffer because I have to do their job for them and go to greater lengths to prevent myself from dying, which would hurt my DPS, and I know how much you all go ape for DPS.
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    Tank HP Limbo is a time honored tradition.
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    I either buy my own sandwich or I end up with pork-nostrils.

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