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    Quote Originally Posted by Luna_Faerwicke View Post
    Male Miq's were a playable race at 2.0 Different dev team
    The different dev team that decided to remove the genderlocks since not only did they not like it, but they only hurt the community as a whole
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    The different dev team that decided to remove the genderlocks since not only did they not like it, but they only hurt the community as a whole
    If there was any harm done to the community prior to 2.0 launch, it was the failure of 1.0 as a whole. Gender locks had little to do with it. I'm guessing it was one of many grievances though.
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    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    If there was any harm done to the community prior to 2.0 launch, it was the failure of 1.0 as a whole. Gender locks had little to do with it. I'm guessing it was one of many grievances though.
    The genderlocks are currently harming the community as a hole currently. There's many people who are aggressive towards others on both sides, and as someone who has played since 1.0, I think that from 2.0 onwards the community was never as toxic as now
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    The genderlocks are currently harming the community as a hole currently. There's many people who are aggressive towards others on both sides, and as someone who has played since 1.0, I think that from 2.0 onwards the community was never as toxic as now
    Is there a debate going on currently? Absolutely. But...I don't think it's quite as heated as you believe, nor as widespread. There is no overall harm being done to the community just because a race/gender variant wasn't added. I'm sure a lot of people want male Viera, but I don't think people are at each others throats all over the place because of their absence or peoples' desire to have them. This thread and the people posting within are, while a decent gauge of community demand, but a drop in an ocean. I haven't seen any heated discussions regarding Viera in game anywhere at any time. The only place I have seen a discussion being had is here on the forums.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 06-06-2019 at 08:21 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
    Personal Housing
    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    Is there a debate going on currently? Absolutely. But...I don't think it's quite as heated as you believe, nor as widespread. There is no overall harm being done to the community just because a race/gender variant wasn't added. I'm sure a lot of people want male Viera, but I don't think people are at each others throats all over the place because of their absence or peoples' desire to have them. This thread and the people posting within are, while a decent gauge of community demand, but a drop in an ocean. I haven't seen any heated discussions regarding Viera in game anywhere at any time. The only place I have seen a discussion being had is here on the forums.
    Well, I do get your point, but I (on zodiark) have encountered on game various both bad and good experiences related to the genderlocks, and I've seen quite a bit of ppl turn toxic because of this. I was talking for myself after all, and I agree that it isn't the genderlock by itself, but I have found a decent amount of experiences based on this personally
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    The genderlocks are currently harming the community as a hole currently. There's many people who are aggressive towards others on both sides, and as someone who has played since 1.0, I think that from 2.0 onwards the community was never as toxic as now
    You're just looking at history through a nostalgic lens.

    The genderlocks are incapable of "harming a community" because what does that even mean? Genderlocks can't do anything, aggressive people being hyperbolic can. When we found out about the gender locks a lot of people who were mad at them got online and reacted in exceedingly dramatic ways. Go back to the beginning of this thread and others like it from that time and it's a total mess.

    If the genderlocks have in any way lead to an element of toxicity aimed at people who want them removed it started when this "community" was raging about how the devs were sexist and homophobic or when this "community" (even recently) took it upon themselves to call for the exclusion of some content in order to get what they want.

    People who want the missing genders, male Viera in particular, have painted the vast majority of the target that's on their own backs right now through really poor behavior. This isn't the fault of the genderlock but rather of the lack of self control evident in many male Viera supporters.

    Let's be very clear - while I don't expect it to happen the easiest solution to this issue is for the people who want male Viera to move on from this and accept the dev decision. That doesn't require any kind of content loss to do, it doesn't require any concessions from SE or anything like that. Just maturity from the playerbase.

    Don't blame genderlocks, blame people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vahlnir View Post
    If there was any harm done to the community prior to 2.0 launch, it was the failure of 1.0 as a whole. Gender locks had little to do with it. I'm guessing it was one of many grievances though.
    Exactly.

    Not once, in my time playing 1.0 did I encounter anyone asking for missing genders of races to be added. Those were the least of concerns of players with how terrible 1.0 was at the time.
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