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    General census seems to be returning Erase and Apocastasis if anything. The other suggested two would be seldom used as either they wouldn't be required (because target is immune) or current toolkits would find them a degree unnecessary (casters may already have mobility options to utilize).
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    Estelle Joyeaux
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    General census seems to be returning Erase and Apocastasis if anything. The other suggested two would be seldom used as either they wouldn't be required (because target is immune) or current toolkits would find them a degree unnecessary (casters may already have mobility options to utilize).
    Agreed; Erase and Apocatastasis would be far better options. As far as I'm aware, FFXIV hasn't had dispel-able buffs on enemies for a long time, so they'd need to go in and change current buffs for that purpose (which would be a lot of work just to add another role action), and all Caster DPS currently have plenty of mobility options in their toolkit, whether it's Swiftcast or job-specific abilities (Dreadwyrm Trance and Ruin II/IV for SMN, Triplecast for BLM, Dualcast for RDM). As for Drain, its self-sustain was nigh-on useless even in solo content, considering the pathetic amount of damage it dealt and the incredibly high MP cost. They'd need to buff its damage and self-heal output, which would require extensive balancing and really wouldn't be worth it. Not to mention I've never really felt the need for Drain in solo content so long as one is properly geared up and knows their rotation.
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    Archwizard Drake
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurando View Post
    General census seems to be returning Erase and Apocastasis if anything. The other suggested two would be seldom used as either they wouldn't be required (because target is immune) or current toolkits would find them a degree unnecessary (casters may already have mobility options to utilize).
    To be honest, I can understand the removal of Erase and Apocatastasis though.

    Erase basically stepped on the toes of healers, making the group's caster DPS the priority at doing their job for them.
    Meanwhile, Apocatastasis was really only used by min-maxers, particularly in the highest tiers of content. Some skills should be available to more casual players, given that they far outnumber Savage-tier Static raiders; if anything that's likely why it was one of the first skills on the chopping block.

    I'd like to see casters get something on par with the stuns and interrupts available to physical DPS, and if we had Dispel then it would open up the encounter designers to be able to add mechanics that can be dispelled, much like I expect they'll be doing with Interrupts next expansion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seraph522 View Post
    As for Drain, its self-sustain was nigh-on useless even in solo content, considering the pathetic amount of damage it dealt and the incredibly high MP cost. They'd need to buff its damage and self-heal output, which would require extensive balancing and really wouldn't be worth it.
    I'm not saying it shouldn't be buffed to be a self-sustain option, much like I believe that Physick should also be usable on Int for SMN.

    What's so "extensive" about increasing the healing percentage of a skill available to one job? They could literally do that in hotfixes. They wouldn't even need to touch the damage, just up the drain rate.
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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archwizard View Post
    Erase basically stepped on the toes of healers, making the group's caster DPS the priority at doing their job for them.
    You say, "stepped on the toes of healers"; I say "saved healers from spending a GCD on Esuna".

    The problem with Erase was never that it was a cleanse action on DD jobs. BRD has Paean, which is a cleanse action on a DD job. The problem with Erase was that it was specifically limited to DoTs. This made it useless in most fights. However, it is/was quite useful for things like covering people's mistakes in alliance raids (namely, mistakes that resulted in Bleed effects). Not only could it save a healer a GCD in such a case, but it is/was fast enough to prevent deaths.
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