I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

[Insertcoins]

I don't really know how to phrase it properly, but if I could restructure this post--it would be to bring more light on people's absolutely aggressive and emotional responses to any form of constructive criticism. Because let's be honest. If I was the jerk--no one would agree with the vote kicks. People mostly go with them because the target player was being toxic regardless of what the conversation was about.

But I also want to be blunt "Why are you wearing STR on a caster" instead of having to type a paragraph just to sugar-coat my true meaning. I'm not offensive in my questions. But I am blunt. Yet I get a lot of people who are incredibly toxic.

If I was that player and you asked me that question like that I would check my stuff and INSTANTLY go " OH SHIT.. my bad man. Let me switch real fast.. I most've not paid attention. Thanks for the heads up" And went from there.. we all make mistakes. And yes the way you worded that up there wasn't rude. I don't even think it was that blunt... I just read it as a normal question.

[Nedkel]

Not about saving time. It's about dropping the carry.

If it's a low level dungeon, that's going to take a special sort to earn a carry kick from me, arguably bot tier. But these people exist.

That said, the part you seem to strain your hardest to ignore is it isn't one person kicking. If someone is causing enough of a disturbance to earn the votes against them, they need to go.

For the peace of the group.

If you compare a same guy playing with primary stat accessories and with garbage accessories, you will find out that his dps is not that dramatically different.
What I am trying to say is, kicking someone because they have bad accessories is a nonsense.
Someone underperforming badly in synced content is not doing badly only because they have a wrong gear, it is a sum of his lack of experience, job he is doing, latency, everything else. You need much more than bad gear in order to perform bad beyond the point in which you could clearly tell someone is having low dps.

You say you don't want to carry someone who has messed up accessories, but it does not have that big of an impact like you think it does.
Its in range of 10-15% dps difference depending on a lot of things, why kicking someone because of it? You will barely even notice that if you don't have parser.

It's not about time. I couldn't care less about time - I'm playing a game.
It's about not wanting to carry people.

And someone, one time did carry you too.
Are you making perfect dps most of the times to be entitled saying you are carrying other players?

[Zeonx]

To assume you are carring anyone is a laugh.

Two others in a party now especially if you are a tank or not just because you have a few extra DPS but they dodge everything while you die or don't die.

its the old elitist talk you hear that oh because someone isn't producing enough DPS I died no cause you can't dodge, doesn't matter if they have crap gear as long as they are able to meet the dungeons level requirement its fine especially if you can beat it without a problem.

they come in to get the needed armor because maybe they don't have the gil to afford the stuff in Market board but you boot them for nothing cause of wrong gear but sometimes the ring give stats like determination that goes towards their skills even if they have dex that doesn't help.

this is why trust is coming because of players like you who abuse the kick system thinking your gods gift to the game that you are the ultimate player no you ain't lol

reminds me of a story my cousin told me, he was playing in FFXI this guy kept saying he had the best DRK armor in game kraken club and he was making fun of my cousin for his gear and said he was going to carry him and cousin told me after all that gloating he did he died and he didn't and everyone laughed at him and he home pointed.

lesson here is if you know how to play the game just because you have better gear doesn't mean you are above them especially if they know how to play better than you.

[MsMisato]

They should make NQ leveling gear cheaper and more readily available too.

Personally, I wish they would put item-level requirements in leveling dungeons. >w>()
You wouldn't believe the number of times I've gotten ARR or HW dungeons where people would wear whatever they could just to be able to queue for the dungeon.
I've had dungeons run where both DPS were wearing crafting and/or gathering gear or runs where the tank wore caster/healer gear.
They should make NQ leveling gear cheaper and more readily available too.

Pretty sure you can get NQ leveling gear from NPC vendors and your GC for seals for 1- 50.
Levels 51-70 you get armor and weapons from NPC vendors and the MSQ quests itself (want to say it was HQ stuff).

They also have poetics to get ironworks, shire. You also get armor coffers at 50, 60, and 70 when you do your job quests. you get a weapon at 70.

The armor and things are readily available either for Gil, GC, tomestones, leves up till 60, job quest rewards/milestones or even dungeon drops. Short of just handing it out, I say they have many ways to obtain armor and accessories.

[Enjuden]

If you compare a same guy playing with primary stat accessories and with garbage accessories, you will find out that his dps is not that dramatically different.
What I am trying to say is, kicking someone because they have bad accessories is a nonsense.
Someone underperforming badly in synced content is not doing badly only because they have a wrong gear, it is a sum of his lack of experience, job he is doing, latency, everything else. You need much more than bad gear in order to perform bad beyond the point in which you could clearly tell someone is having low dps.

You say you don't want to carry someone who has messed up accessories, but it does not have that big of an impact like you think it does.
Its in range of 10-15% dps difference depending on a lot of things, why kicking someone because of it? You will barely even notice that if you don't have parser.

You do realize that is entirely dependent on the level, right? It is not just a flat 10-15% dps decrease at level 60 onwards. Wrong accessories for instance is like having someone come in with level 1 glamour armor on chest and pants in a dungeon. If they were to come in, with, say, a level 60 sword from the beginning of Heavensward to a Shire weapon, that is closer to 50%, scaling down to about 3-5% difference with one x damage stat. By the way, attack power reduces by 26% without right side, which is fairly accurate in its stats when it comes to damage. Generally these horror stories don't come from people who are not just missing one to two pieces. They are missing nearly eight levels of gear, on top of not knowing how to play their class. If they were to go in with leveling gear for Heavensward in Stormblood, then it is dramatically worse stat wise due to how scaling works.

Note that they are not talking about people who are doing what they can to keep up with gear. Say, a mix of greens from the previous dungeon and some whites from 3-4 levels behind. They're talking about dramatic differences in level, 9+. Running with those people is not fun, even did it myself for HW out of curiosity. It was bad. I could keep up with threat because lul warrior, but it was rough.

I will say that missing 5-10 ilvls for gear in general is okay, so long as cooldowns are used and proper rotation is done. I don't expect the second, but the first should be something ingrained by the time you are leveling in Stormblood content since those starting out are perpetually behind, making defensive cooldowns vital. E.G. Bardam's Mettle in Augmented Shire gear. Key word here being Augmented. That is where your 10-15% number is coming from

Bluntly speaking, stop defending people who are too lazy to get gear when the game literally throws money and gear at you. You don't need a parser to see the difference. The community in general is slow enough as is in learning the game, why prolong it further by letting something as absurd as int gear on a dex class happen?

[Hash_Browns]

And someone, one time did carry you too.
Are you making perfect dps most of the times to be entitled saying you are carrying other players?

Their is a different between a carry & a new player, if that's what you are getting at.
Early on, I learned about gear, and made sure to actively update my gear as I played. That's not a lot to ask.

[Insertcoins]

Pretty sure you can get NQ leveling gear from NPC vendors and your GC for seals for 1- 50.
Levels 51-70 you get armor and weapons from NPC vendors and the MSQ quests itself (want to say it was HQ stuff).

They also have poetics to get ironworks, shire. You also get armor coffers at 50, 60, and 70 when you do your job quests. you get a weapon at 70.

The armor and things are readily available either for Gil, GC, tomestones, leves up till 60, job quest rewards/milestones or even dungeon drops. Short of just handing it out, I say they have many ways to obtain armor and accessories.

If it's a first time player then the only option they would have for gear is venders and alot of them don't sell everything. Venders at lower levels are odd. You stop finding rings between 40 and 50s from what I seen. I had to go on the MB and find them and that can cost abit much for a new player. Someone leveling alt jobs with millions of gil sure.. but a new player isn't gonna have 300k for a ring he can't in venders. I've been in that road and it sucks. But I just wanted to say that happens is all.

[SenorPatty]

If you compare a same guy playing with primary stat accessories and with garbage accessories, you will find out that his dps is not that dramatically different.
What I am trying to say is, kicking someone because they have bad accessories is a nonsense.
Someone underperforming badly in synced content is not doing badly only because they have a wrong gear, it is a sum of his lack of experience, job he is doing, latency, everything else. You need much more than bad gear in order to perform bad beyond the point in which you could clearly tell someone is having low dps.

You say you don't want to carry someone who has messed up accessories, but it does not have that big of an impact like you think it does.
Its in range of 10-15% dps difference depending on a lot of things, why kicking someone because of it? You will barely even notice that if you don't have parser.

You kno what else is nonsense? Someone losing their shit when asked why you're wearing str equipment when you're playing a mdps. As OP mentioned, he's not kicking players just because they're wearing mismatched gear. He's kicking them because of their abnormal responses when inquired about it.

And someone, one time did carry you too.
Are you making perfect dps most of the times to be entitled saying you are carrying other players?

People carry other people a lot. You know what people don't carry a a lot? People with abhorrent behavior and/or literal detrimental gameplay.

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[alimdia]

You lose about 10% dps if you switch to wrong primary stat accessories, thats all.
It wont ruin a game for you or anyone else if 1 person out of 4 will do 10% less, take it easy. Probably ilevels someone is running has more impact on synced duties than accessories, in fact items on dungeon ilvl are potentially better than someone running it at lvl 70 character.

Like I said in my post, someone too lazy to get proper gear is likely too lazy to look up how to play their job, so that's way more than 10% damage. Although they don't make the majority, I've seen plenty of DPS that do less damage than a tank or healer, add bad gear on top of that and they are forcing the other players to carry them through content. How is that fair for everyone else?

[MsMisato]

If it's a first time player then the only option they would have for gear is venders and alot of them don't sell everything. Venders at lower levels are odd. You stop finding rings between 40 and 50s from what I seen. I had to go on the MB and find them and that can cost abit much for a new player. Someone leveling alt jobs with millions of gil sure.. but a new player isn't gonna have 300k for a ring he can't in venders. I've been in that road and it sucks. But I just wanted to say that happens is all.

In the past that may be true in regards to the MB, we now have world visit now and can shop the MB else where unless prices are like that across all servers on your DC than I am sorry that sucks that rings cost that much where you are at. But seriously use the world visit, shop the MB elsewhere, its your gil, you worked hard for it, take it where you get the best value for it.

As for rings it stops at 28 as npc vendors will not sell anything in ARR at beyond that level not even in Mor Dhona. Level 38 rings are crafted. Then picks back up at 50. There are ring drops in HM dungeons but you are better off getting Iron works rings because you can augment them to an higher ilvl. I want to say 125. If you have Ishgard open for 51-60 characters you get amber things from leves that are used to get accessories like rings, necklaces, bracelets for 51-59. I want to say if I recall, you get coffers as well from quests that give primal accessories.

With the exception of the rings stopping at level 28 and then picking back up at lvl 38 and then from level 50ish. A lot of things are available to the player at little to no cost. Just requires a little effort on the player's part. Tomes are silly easy to get. leves are even more easy. In honesty its a good habit to try to stay current on your gear. I am just tired of seeing folks in weathered accessories at 35 and up (the brand new ring is good through 50 +3 all stats).