WoW this, WoW that: Why are FFXIV forum users so obsessed with WoW refugees?

[Mistyregions]

The answer is simply this.

Wow players, and the vocal majority got on forums and provided feedback that led WoW down the path of ruin it's on now.

That being said FF developers take our feedback seriously and for better, we have steered the ship with our constructive feedback. Overall despite some strawman arguments people are inevitably going to use against me, this game has done pretty good.

The problem is, do you want people who casualized WoW and provided direct feedback that led them to turn WoW into the game it is now, provide criticism on our game and turn it into something it is not? To steer the game towards the same iceberg they steered their game into?

Its food for thought.

[Vahlnir]

The answer is simply this.

Wow players, and the vocal majority got on forums and provided feedback that led WoW down the path of ruin it's on now.

Yeah...no. The problem is that the devs stopped listening to their player base entirely, all the while asking for feedback that they ignore anyway. Yoshi P and company take the time to listen, even if they don't like what's being suggested. But they do right by the player base for the most part and I love that.

[Liam_Harper]

The answer is simply this.

Wow players, and the vocal majority got on forums and provided feedback that led WoW down the path of ruin it's on now.

What?

Did you play WoW? The multi-thousand page uproar over the removal of flight and Pathfinder, that to this day hasn't been reverted. The similar uproar when they added a gcd to instant cooldowns. The uproar when Karabor, Bladespire and a whole raid tier were scrapped in WoD and the loss of nearly 5 million subscriptions? The countless ignored threads asking for reforge back. Several-hundred-page class threads pointing out gamebreaking flaws in beta that were ignored resulting in the class needing emergency buffs and tweaks for a month after release. The endless complaints about Titanforge and rng that have now been made a core part of the game. Massive nerfs to leveling speed. Dungeon trash doubled in quantity while rewards are lowered.

The WoW Devs are notorious for a "we know better" attitude. It's even become a meme. Their head Dev is a lawyer and excels in avoiding questions and dancing around feedback.

FF's Devs in comparison are far better and can both listen to feedback and approach it with common sense, but you can't claim FF's playerbase hasn't been trying to steer the ship into the casual iceberg. "Nerf Shinryu, nerf Mist Dragon, nerf Thunder-God Cid, nerf crafting, nerf gathering, nerf relics, ban other players for offering me advice, these 4 buttons NPC controlled fights are too hard nerf plz, remove positionals, remove role actions...".
That isn't WoW's playerbase. They're used to NPC controlled fights, mythic+ dungeons and all had dps meters. That's FF14 community feedback.

[Gula]

What?

Did you play WoW? The multi-thousand page uproar over the removal of flight and Pathfinder, that to this day hasn't been reverted.

I am absolutely blind to WoW outside TV commercials and South Park. Removal of flight, what? Flight as in mount flight? ... what?

[Selova]

I am absolutely blind to WoW outside TV commercials and South Park. Removal of flight, what? Flight as in mount flight? ... what?

Yes. They removed flying from the game and re-introduced it behind one of the longest time gates that exists in the game because the dev's got salty that people were "flying over and skipping" their content. No matter how much feedback was given it was completely ignored.