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    Not a single Syrcus or Labyrinth run has taken more than 20 minutes for me. The queues are a couple of minutes now that everyone is running the raids. That's 6 tomes per hour. That's enough if you just aim to get a few items which is probably what the devs intended.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Not a single Syrcus or Labyrinth run has taken more than 20 minutes for me. The queues are a couple of minutes now that everyone is running the raids. That's 6 tomes per hour. That's enough if you just aim to get a few items which is probably what the devs intended.
    Same. It really goes smoothly, especially Syrcus since you can basically ignore all the mechanics except for one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Not a single Syrcus or Labyrinth run has taken more than 20 minutes for me. The queues are a couple of minutes now that everyone is running the raids. That's 6 tomes per hour. That's enough if you just aim to get a few items which is probably what the devs intended.
    It still forces people to run the same stuff again and again. If they had included the roulettes into this (with maybe 1-2 more stones) then at least we could have helped newer players for every single dungeon and it would give some variety. But right now if you dont have much time and want the earring (the only new item on this) you need to run 50 Syrcus towers..the rewards is imo just not worth the amount..and does it even help the people? What about all those that want to do the HW raids? Or the HW dungeons, or even just the first ARR dungeon? All of these might suffer because people can only run certain content to get stuff. On top of that you can get these items with squadrons too.

    IMO this is nothing but a horrible "event" to make people sub longer. Kinda ironic when on the same time Yoshida states that he does not want such an MMO..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    It still forces people to run the same stuff again and again. If they had included the roulettes into this (with maybe 1-2 more stones) then at least we could have helped newer players for every single dungeon and it would give some variety. But right now if you dont have much time and want the earring (the only new item on this) you need to run 50 Syrcus towers..the rewards is imo just not worth the amount..and does it even help the people? What about all those that want to do the HW raids? Or the HW dungeons, or even just the first ARR dungeon? All of these might suffer because people can only run certain content to get stuff. On top of that you can get these items with squadrons too.

    IMO this is nothing but a horrible "event" to make people sub longer. Kinda ironic when on the same time Yoshida states that he does not want such an MMO..
    What about the people who want to bird farm, or scale farm? What about... stopping the what aboutism. This is supposed to be a bit grindy and keep people busy until the expansion. And we run the same stuff again and again for other things- current tomes, current mounts, etc.

    If you really don't think the reward is worth your time, then don't do the event. Several people I know have 0 interest in it, or would rather be doing other things, and are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imbrium View Post
    What about the people who want to bird farm, or scale farm? What about... stopping the what aboutism. This is supposed to be a bit grindy and keep people busy until the expansion. And we run the same stuff again and again for other things- current tomes, current mounts, etc.

    If you really don't think the reward is worth your time, then don't do the event. Several people I know have 0 interest in it, or would rather be doing other things, and are.
    Because this is something that seemingly should help newer players but wont because the dungeons are restricted and you can farm them with your squadron. So I give feedback on what they in my opinion did wrong.

    Also I wont do it so no need to be so aggressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Because this is something that seemingly should help newer players but wont because the dungeons are restricted and you can farm them with your squadron. So I give feedback on what they in my opinion did wrong.

    Also I wont do it so no need to be so aggressive.
    Nowhere on the event page does it say it's to help players. It says to run dungeons, get the tome, get item. Repeat. I mean, if it does help new players at the same time that's great, but I don't see that as why the event was designed.

    By this point we honestly should be looking at end of HW- end of SB players if we want to realistically get as many people caught up to ShB before the exp, but the event doesn't focus on that either. Linkshells, pf and the NN are where I'm seeing most people getting brought up to speed more quickly.

    Edit: If the issue people had with the event were PURELY altruistic, and they wanted to help the most people possible before ShB I'd be fine with that. But that complaint always seems to fall after 'Increase the drops so we can work less.' So I'm not sure how to feel about it.

    I didn't mean for my post to come across as harsh. If it did I apologize. Like I said I know several people who see this as not worth their time, so they're doing other things in game or playing other games. I see people here saying the event is not worth their time: it would be better to do other things with it then. Logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Imbrium View Post
    Nowhere on the event page does it say it's to help players. It says to run dungeons, get the tome, get item. Repeat. I mean, if it does help new players at the same time that's great, but I don't see that as why the event was designed.
    Well the selection of the dungeons (and the two big MSQ) and raids kinda hint that this is just their way to push people in old content. Maybe the crystal tower is there because it will be important in the next expansion but especially the two MSQ dungeons are a big wall for some players. If it does not mean that then why not just give them in every single content? Or at least for roulettes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alleo View Post
    Well the selection of the dungeons (and the two big MSQ) and raids kinda hint that this is just their way to push people in old content. Maybe the crystal tower is there because it will be important in the next expansion but especially the two MSQ dungeons are a big wall for some players. If it does not mean that then why not just give them in every single content? Or at least for roulettes.
    Only reason I can think of them not giving it in all content is to make it grindy in particular. There's a drain you feel from doing the same thing 100 times versus 10 things 10 times each. It generally makes you want to space that out- maybe over a month or so, until just before the expansion hits.

    Plus I imagine this is a trial run of the event. I'm sure they'll change up the dungeons/tomes later if we do it again. But if they're hoping we'll re-live LoA/etc before 5.0, most ppl have cutscenes off. If a few people get helped through that's good, but at this point it feels more like they were trying to tie the event in loosely with upcoming content, but that's it. It's still supposed to be a grind.

    Meanwhile there's stuff like story mode Susanoo that ppl wait 3 hours on, etc. It's not just the Crystal Tower arc, which is why I said it would of made more sense to focus on late HW-end SB content to get ppl caught up. it's a lot easier to get 1 person to Zerg ARR content with you than it is for HW and SB. I was in a Nidhogg clear last night and we wiped first try. This is the big reason I see the events purpose as grind, get tome, get items. There's so much content that takes forever to que into, but SE didn't award the tome to msq roulette or mentor roulette. That just says grind to me.

    Could it have been done differently? Of course. Should it have? I'm not going to argue that one. Either it's doing what SE put it there to do and it's brought back, or they go 'well this flopped', and change or don't re-use it.

    Edit: If you think about newer players, SE kind of has to choose low level dungeons for the event. If they picked HW/SB dungeons players still in ARR wouldn't be able to participate. They upped the requirement for the Noctis event to lv50/Ultima Weapon done, so pushing for Crystal Tower isn't too far fetched from there. But generally for events, the required lv is 15, occasionally 30, and not past ARR msq. If that's the case, we would be looking at more low level dungeons in the future.
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