Kneejerk reaction to PLD changes.

[Daralii]

I like a lot of the changes with PLD, and in a vacuum it is a huge win, but looking at what Warriors got it seems like we are getting left behind. Warriors got a better version of intervention (nascent flash which reduces dmg by 10% and heals), a better version of veil (shake which has a lower cooldown and can be scaled up by sacrificing other abilities), and an equal version of sheltron (raw intuition which costs no gauge and can be used every 30s). Plus on top of that they get Thrill of battle which heals them by 20%, increases their max hp by 20%, and increases incoming healing by 20%. On top of that they get equilibrium which is a free heal ogcd. What is it with SE's love affair with Warrior.

Also 5x Fell Cleave and their 950 potency direct crit Feller Cleave. As is, I don't see PLD or DRK ever being picked for anything if a WAR or GNB is available.

[Galactimus]

I don't know, PLD is dishing out some huge potencies as well. Atonement spam @ 550x3. Holy Spirit @ 525x4. 1200 Potency AoE Confiteor. (Due to Requiescat buffing these by 50% instead of 20% now.)

[Miminming]

Paladin damage is always about consistency unlike war burst damage...

I like a lot of paladin change from what i read, and we got flashier effect! I think...

Need tl play it before the verdict though

[Jandor]

Cover shouldn't use gauge, full agreement on that point.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Honestly people are blowing stuff way out of proportion with "mitigation lost" if you need an extra CD, we have a passive 20% DR, you run out of CDs? your co-tank can provide one, they buffed oath gauge building if you read any of the tooltips, so both autos and RA gives oath gauge, you won't be spending sheltron like crazy fishing for Shield swipe procs anymore, so you will have extra gauge to sit on, and sure Divine Veil could still do with some QoL adjustments, say affect the PLD also, maybe have oGCD heals will also proc it, but it has it's niche to maximise it's duration but not gonna cry over it. The nerf/ buff on Sentinel is fine, the extra 10% never made a massive difference, found myself more complaining at how long I had to wait for it, also Vengeance had a 5sec duration nerf if you wanna go tit for tat. Sure cover got nerfed some, but it was too broken in SB, could cheese the tank share in 12s as the most notable frequent use of it.

As for the potency buffs, they are insanely nice to get compared to the potencies of the other tanks, as for the comment about feller cleave, they are only achievable via infuriate (can only stack 2) so good luck getting 5 of them and you surely won't waste em under IR either. Also we finally get real meaningful AoE that compliments PLD's ST rotation which is really nice to have after 6 years. Honestly, PLD got some really nice changes for ShB mostly all positives, free gap closer, the lvl 78 trait is awesome, no more worries about losing a HS cast under req because of mechanics and can finally block while in req, my biggest gripe is gone.

[Bright-Flower]

Honestly people are blowing stuff way out of proportion with "mitigation lost" if you need an extra CD, we have a passive 20% DR, you run out of CDs? your co-tank can provide one, they buffed oath gauge building if you read any of the tooltips, so both autos and RA gives oath gauge, you won't be spending sheltron like crazy fishing for Shield swipe procs anymore, so you will have extra gauge to sit on, and sure Divine Veil could still do with some QoL adjustments, say affect the PLD also, maybe have oGCD heals will also proc it, but it has it's niche to maximise it's duration but not gonna cry over it. The nerf/ buff on Sentinel is fine, the extra 10% never made a massive difference, found myself more complaining at how long I had to wait for it, also Vengeance had a 5sec duration nerf if you wanna go tit for tat. Sure cover got nerfed some, but it was too broken in SB, could cheese the tank share in 12s as the most notable frequent use of it.

As for the potency buffs, they are insanely nice to get compared to the potencies of the other tanks, as for the comment about feller cleave, they are only achievable via infuriate (can only stack 2) so good luck getting 5 of them and you surely won't waste em under IR either. Also we finally get real meaningful AoE that compliments PLD's ST rotation which is really nice to have after 6 years. Honestly, PLD got some really nice changes for ShB mostly all positives, free gap closer, the lvl 78 trait is awesome, no more worries about losing a HS cast under req because of mechanics and can finally block while in req, my biggest gripe is gone.

This. I'm all in all estatic about the changes. Granted, I'm casual filth who mostly does dungeons and normal mode raids, so our place in 'the meta' doesn't much concern me. But from my perspective, the additional aoe will make dungeons/aoe situations FAR more interesting, on top of the gap closer and requiscat making spells instant being icing on the cake.

Sure it's a bummer losing shield swipe, and having cover cost oath, but the positives from my perspective far outweight the few negatives.

[mrt617]

Snip.

The thing with the passive mitigation is every tank is going to have that so I'm assuming auto attacks and tank busters are going to do more damage now to make up for that. The only tool tip I have seen for gauge building is you build 5 points on auto attack (which is the same as now) I have not seen any tool tip mentioning RA builds oath gauge. It's hard to say if we are going to have gauge to sit on without knowing how the new fights will go. I am nervous though now that cover costs 50 gauge but we shall see. I like the Sentinel change that extra 10% wasn't worth much and having a shorter cool down is nice. Cover was op but at the same time it was basically having an extra cd and with the change it could still be easily used to cheese that tank share buster in o12s you would just need a cooldown with it like rampart or maybe even a good shield from the healers and sheltron would be enough. I think losing its damage mitigation ability was fine until I saw that War now has raw intuition every 30s and Thrill of battle and DRK still has dark mind every minute plus TBN is 25% shield. Plus to lose bulwark/awareness which was great for autos is just too much. With cover we were at least on par with what other tanks brought to the table in terms of mitigation, but now it feels like we are behind again.

Paladin DPS changes are great and I am very excited for them. I would give them a 11/10 on pld if we still had bulwark/awareness and cover cost gauge but kept the 20% mitigation. Right now it's a 5/10, DPS is great, but the mitigation is poor compared to what we had and to what other tanks gained.

[Nedkel]

I could only promise that when playing a PLD I WILL NOT pull twice for dpses who are mindlessly damaging mobs during a pull to take the aggro back from them.
I am more than sure that SE has not give any enmity scaling on total eclipse, if its going to generate the same enmity as it is now in tank stance then rekt in peace paladin in dungeons.

[Kaedan]

OP, why did you oh so conveniently leave out:

-Divine Veil (10% HP Shield for party)
-Intervention (10% to target)
-Passage (15% to party)

...but then made sure to include all of the other tank's skills? Sounds like you're trying to stir the pot.

[mrt617]

This. I'm all in all estatic about the changes. Granted, I'm casual filth who mostly does dungeons and normal mode raids, so our place in 'the meta' doesn't much concern me. But from my perspective, the additional aoe will make dungeons/aoe situations FAR more interesting, on top of the gap closer and requiscat making spells instant being icing on the cake.

Sure it's a bummer losing shield swipe, and having cover cost oath, but the positives from my perspective far outweight the few negatives.

You make a good point Paladin will actually be fun to play in dungeons now. My problem is most of my time I spend in the game will be in savage and ultimate content and I want to have just as many tools as the other tanks when it comes to mitigating damage. So for dungeons the changes are glorious and Paladin may be the best tank for dungeons now, but I don't like what we have to give up when it comes to abilities for Savage and Ultimate content. Of course until we see the fights it's really hard to know if we will be in good shape or not.