Thre important changes please to Frontlines to stop an RNG slaughter-fest

[Nova_Rox]

There will be losers in PvP simply by design. Some folks decided they were tired of losing and they improved themselves and made a group afterwards.

What's stopping everyone else from doing the same? Put in the work then groups will invite you. If you aren't very good then you can't be expected to be invited into premades with good players.

[Keoeson]

There will be losers in PvP simply by design. Some folks decided they were tired of losing and they improved themselves and made a group afterwards.

What's stopping everyone else from doing the same? Put in the work then groups will invite you. If you aren't very good then you can't be expected to be invited into premades with good players.

Why should I have to join a party to "enjoy" pvp? I just got out of a frontline match, where as usual one party dominated the map. One person also had the first time achievement and thus got great first impression of what to expect from pvp. On a Saturday during the day there are not enough people queueing for a large frontline match.
Well, I'm out, I got the garo achievements. Keep telling yourself that there's no problem with premades and enjoy the long queue times...

[DebbieMachete]

Why should I have to join a party to "enjoy" pvp? I just got out of a frontline match, where as usual one party dominated the map..
Well, I'm out, I got the garo achievements. Keep telling yourself that there's no problem with premades and enjoy the long queue times...

In all honesty, it doesn't sound like you like PvP at a base level. Generally, people who like PvP are competitive, and when they get beat they want to do all within their power to get better. The harder they get beat, the harder they want to try - even should they get steam-rolled. The reason I generalize like this is not to be exclusive, but to point out that you're petitioning for changes in a system which doesn't even seem to appeal to you on a fundamental level. Case in point, someone gave you an extremely thorough primer about success in the frontlines, and your response was that it wasn't worth your time. Would you play if there was no external incentive? What about a frontlines training grounds you could queue for with your friends for practice, that offered no dailies, marks, or achievements?

[Doozer]

Generally, people who like PvP are competitive, and when they get beat they want to do all within their power to get better. The harder they get beat, the harder they want to try - even should they get steam-rolled.

I wanna live in whatever wonderful world you live in. All I see from competitive people who go ape for PvP are smashed keyboards and bratty little men calling me the N word or something. Competitive people don't always want to get better -- they usually just want to win.

[Mavrias]

Why should I have to join a party to "enjoy" pvp? I just got out of a frontline match, where as usual one party dominated the map. One person also had the first time achievement and thus got great first impression of what to expect from pvp. On a Saturday during the day there are not enough people queueing for a large frontline match.
Well, I'm out, I got the garo achievements. Keep telling yourself that there's no problem with premades and enjoy the long queue times...

why should you have to join and communicate with a party to enjoy something in a mmo? thats your question? hello?

[Sylvain]

why should you have to join and communicate with a party to enjoy something in a mmo? thats your question? hello?

You can enjoy dunjon trial and raid without engaging into much communication... (beside "hello o/" , ty for group etc)
Yes, joining a party is better, but most content doesn't require it. So yes, why should we have to join a party to "enjoy" pvp?

Shouldn't you just enjoy pvp for doing pvp? Like... I can't just join a match, heal people and have fun doing that? Is that actually too much to ask? like "hey I have some free time and I feel like doing Frontlike, open menu -> queue." Does this kind of behavior sound so alien to you that it should be punished?

I'm not saying there's no point in joining group/communities... but if joining a pvp community is a requirement for making the experience enjoyable then no wonder the PvP scene is as barren as the first shard.

[Nova_Rox]

You can enjoy dunjon trial and raid without engaging into much communication... (beside "hello o/" , ty for group etc)
Yes, joining a party is better, but most content doesn't require it. So yes, why should we have to join a party to "enjoy" pvp?

Shouldn't you just enjoy pvp for doing pvp? Like... I can't just join a match, heal people and have fun doing that? Is that actually too much to ask? like "hey I have some free time and I feel like doing Frontlike, open menu -> queue." Does this kind of behavior sound so alien to you that it should be punished?

I'm not saying there's no point in joining group/communities... but if joining a pvp community is a requirement for making the experience enjoyable then no wonder the PvP scene is as barren as the first shard.

That's because everyone knows the mechanics in said dungeon. I assure you when there's a new player in lower level dungeons there's a lot more chatting.

Want to be able to play PvP without having to chat? Get the entire community educated, join pvpaissa and read guies (https://pvpaissa.com/discord)

Until that happens, and it probably never will, you need to be willing to communicate in PvP. PvE is static, you learn the fight once and you move on. PvP is constantly changing, therefore more communication will be involved.

Make macros if you have to.