we are now entering the center of "complain" phase

[NekoNova]

See, that's the problem. A lot of people aren't happy, so they are showing their displeasure.

As an AST main, I don't like seeing my cards going from having a multitude of effects to being 1 effect.
As an AST main, I don't like seeing my duration extending effects get removed, or changed to subpar healing with a potency of 100 on a 120 second cooldown.
As an AST main, I don't like seeing that my level 72 trait, is to turn Combust II into Combust III, which only reduces the MP cost from 500, to 400, and NOTHING ELSE.

The game is fun, yes, but they really need to figure out what they are doing with healing. I mained/used all 3 healers, and now I'm considering moving to tank after seeing the awesome WAR buffs, and the subpar healer changes.

Do you have any numbers about the "A lot of people aren't happy"?
Just because there's a vocal group on the forums/reddit, doesn't mean they represent the community and everything needs to be put on hold for that.


Some of the changes for classes feel odd, but I don't feel it warrants all the drama I'm reading everywhere.
Try it out, see how it plays, and if it's really bad I'm sure that balance fixes will be coming out.


For me it feels they have a specific vision for healers in this game, and all I make out from all drama posts is that this seems to be going against a vocal minority's wishes

[Hash_Browns]

Do you have any numbers about the "A lot of people aren't happy"?
Just because there's a vocal group on the forums/reddit, doesn't mean they represent the community and everything needs to be put on hold for that.

This is a cop-out. Of course a vocal minority are expressing their displeasure. Reddit/FFXIV forums are, as a whole, a vocal minority. When I say "a lot of people aren't happy" I mean in terms of people discussing healers on the forums.

Some of the changes for classes feel odd, but I don't feel it warrants all the drama I'm reading everywhere.
Try it out, see how it plays, and if it's really bad I'm sure that balance fixes will be coming out.

I don't see drama, I see people expressing concerns for the class. Unique abilities that were changes to just basic abilities, or just straight up taken away. One of the reasons they gave for the no new healer drama was about them wanting to balance out healers. It honestly isn't that much to expect a class to be in an alright spot when the expansion drops.

"Don't complain, you haven't tried it" isn't a solid argument either. I'm not looking at skills like I'm an idiot because I haven't tested them out. I know what's being presented with the healer changes, and a lot of them baffle me.

For me it feels they have a specific vision for healers in this game, and all I make out from all drama posts is that this seems to be going against a vocal minority's wishes

Once again, neither of us have any numbers to back up claims like this.

[Jandor]

To be fair, most tanks and DPS are pretty happy.

Yeah, I think tank streamlining has gone maybe a tad too far, I'd tweak a thing or two here and there, but mostly happy.

DPS is same again, some good, some iffy, overall though fairly pleased.

Healers though, wtf brought that on SE?! They all look terrible.

[NanaWiloh]

I am not happy with the change to AST, so handling it the best way I know how look at some of the other classes that interest me. Still got plenty of expansion Hype I love crafting its my end game so everything they have added for it gots me excited to play

[NanaWiloh]

Yeah, I think tank streamlining has gone maybe a tad too far, I'd tweak a thing or two here and there, but mostly happy.

DPS is same again, some good, some iffy, overall though fairly pleased.

Healers though, wtf brought that on SE?! They all look terrible.

Something tells me Yoshi P is going to be appologizing for the healer mess at some point just a question of when. His appologies are always so nice and I feel sorry for him at times he does try.

[xLucia]

everywhere i went (this forum, reddit, youtube comment, gaming forum) all i see now is just complain about every class, change, new future, everything.

the negativity is just overwhelming at this point, and we are not even touching the game yet.

i can understand with the genuine complain on certain class makeover (*cough* AST cards *cough*) but the others?

That's because people naturally seem to have a dislike for change. But then when it's there and they try it, most them go "oh this is actually not so bad". Hence why I try not to judge things before it's even released.

[Bhearil]

Yeah, I think tank streamlining has gone maybe a tad too far, I'd tweak a thing or two here and there, but mostly happy.

DPS is same again, some good, some iffy, overall though fairly pleased.

Healers though, wtf brought that on SE?! They all look terrible.

Actually many of the tanks that are not WAR/future GNB are quite dissatisfied.

DRK/PLD got really shafted ouside of getting new cool looking effects. DRK loses tons of actions per minute due to losing Blood Weapon speed and the mp regen per skill being quite low (500mp and important skills cost 3k of a 10k pool so outside of blood Weapon window the mp generations is quite bad even adding 2k per minute from natural mp regen) as well as putting it AGAIN on a forced magic tank niche (its true that MOST are magical but good luck if they decide to put Alexander physical version raid, is gonna be Paladin 3.0 all over again), not counting Living Dead being the very same despite 2 years of complaints that it was the WORST invul skill. Meanwhile PLD lost a lot utility and GNB adds almost as much if not better (like passage of arms vs 15% raid mitigation on a 90 sec cd that allows the GNB to keep doing things unlike PLD or intervention that now cost bar and has no benefits making it just better ignore it and press taunt instead of wasting resources meanwhile GNB slaps heart of stone for 15% mitigation and a possible 150 potency shield)

GNB only complain is that its potencies are a bit too low but that be fixed easily (and that invul cd too high for what it does that can be easily fixed as well by reducing the cd), meanwhile the biggest complain WAR has is that their new animations are mediocre xD

Even if AOE healing was gutted on DRK (60 seconds cd for 200 potency aoe healing) the new WAR skill still allows him to have a quite nice lifesteal

[Raiya]

People aren't complaining about everything, the tank and DPS changes are nice if not welcome if there's any complaints is primarily in the healer category and how they've literally gutted the majority of DPS moves down to literally 2~3 buttons for many and are little more than reskins of one another. People are going to give out about this and rightly so expecially for Scholars as this is the 2nd time it's happened for that class.

WHM losing Aero III,
SCH losing energy drain and all miasma spells,
AST gettinmg its card gutted.

I mean this is far too much for many and there will be people rightly upset at what people see as unneeded changes here.

[HyoMinPark]

I'm actually quite pleased with most of the changes I looked at, minus changes to healers.

I'm super hyped about DNC, and can't wait to get my hands on it. I'm cautiously optimistic about BRD, though I lament the removal of a lot of my party utility. The tanks look cool, and I may actually start playing them a bit more. Overall, I feel positive about the changes, but I'm not really that pleased about the healers. Especially the AST changes.

[Jandor]

Actually many of the tanks that are not WAR/future GNB are quite dissatisfied.

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Meanwhile PLD lost a lot utility and GNB adds almost as much if not better (like passage of arms vs 15% raid mitigation on a 90 sec cd that allows the GNB to keep doing things unlike PLD or intervention that now cost bar and has no benefits making it just better ignore it and press taunt instead of wasting resources meanwhile GNB slaps heart of stone for 15% mitigation and a possible 150 potency shield)

Haven't looked too closely at DRK, but PLD only needs a bit of tweaking.

Intervention always cost gauge, did you mean Cover? I agree cover shouldn't cost gauge, the 2min cooldown is fine.

You can't move for Passage, but Paladin gets Passage and Veil. GNB only gets Heart of Light.