WHM still has no raid DPS buffs in 5.0

[Rosa_Frandlia]

It's worth mentioning the 900 potency nuke is is not a DPS gain. It requires forfeiting 3 300 potency nukes, so it is effectively neutral.

With SCH getting copy-paste of AST/WHM DPS rotations, I do expect personal DPS output of all 3 healers to be as near to identical as possible.

You missed what I was saying, WHM didn't lose anything major. SCH lost its fairy difference and eye for an eye for deploy. Ast lost spreading of cards. WHM lost lilies being useless and the knockback on fluid Aura. Which job lost the least of what it had?

Also, if you are talking of the assize nuke it is no longer tied to lilies by the media reports.

[Risvertasashi]

You missed what I was saying, WHM didn't lose anything major. SCH lost its fairy difference and eye for an eye for deploy. Ast lost spreading of cards. WHM lost lilies being useless and the knockback on fluid Aura. Which job lost the least of what it had?

Fair enough. In past expacs WHM lost quite a bit though, so in the end it's a wash?

More than specific abilities being deleted/reworked/etc, I'd really rather SE get the healers balanced. But uh... yeah, they didn't deliver.

[Fyce]

While I'm deeply discouraged by SE's actions, I don't think that staying silent about problems is the way forward. For anything, really.

But the problems are made up ones by the community itself. In practice, they are absolutly insignificant. Which is why I'm saying that we should simply ignore them.

But that's just it. DPS buffs help make up for those mistakes.

And having more healing tools might help people not dying when they make mistakes as well. Which is a bigger help that what a 10% crit buff with a 12.5% uptime can provide (especially when crit will lose a lot of value at the start of Shadowbringers due to how its scaling works).
People don't seem to understand or value how useful is it to have more healing tools than what is theorically needed. I cannot count how many times an AST or SCH had to use their GCDs because they simply ran out of tools to use after people made mistakes.

Besides, cases where people would wipe because of a lack of raid DPS utility from healers is far more extreme than the example I just gave (and doesn't disprove my point about people needed to improve elsewhere first before looking at this). It might give you a lucky clear once in every blue moon... But if that's more or less the extend of what healer raid DPS utility is good for, I'm sorry but I find the argument weightless compared to the benefits of taking a WHM.

[Semirhage]

WHM is once again remaining pretty stagnant. SE is playing a bit of that shell game they did with 4.0 and Stoneskin; delete an old ability, either fix it up or leave it basically untouched, and hand it back at a higher level and call it "new".

Aero 3 -> We're folding its damage into Aero 2 and calling it Dia and moving it up 14 levels, then dropping Thin Air down so you get a job reward at 58
Protect and Largesse -> Okay fine you can have them exclusively again and we'll buff Protect.

Afflatus heals are -yet more- healing buttons that replicate healing spells we already have. I've stated elsewhere that the reason I roll my eyes at the people who want to "heal more" is because this healing design is not very interesting. We have a bunch of buttons, nearly all of them do the same thing, their priority order is clearly defined, and they largely have no meaningful interaction with one another. Would you like to dedicate your hotbars to Cure 2, free instant Cure 2 on a 60 second cooldown, free instant Cure 2 on a 30 second cooldown that triggers your GCD, or guaranteed crit Cure 2 on a 3 minute cooldown? How about Medica, Medica with a regen, small radius Medica with a stronger heal, or free instant Medica on a 30 second cooldown?

Yes, this is an oversimplification of the kit, but why do these buttons need their own real estate? Both the Afflatus heal spells could be traits on Cure 2 and Medica. Because that's what they are. They aren't new spells.

AST and SCH mains, hopefully you crawl out of this mess fine too. I'm DPSing next expansion, because Square actually knows how to make those fun.

[Jollyy5]

I'm not a healer main, but I really did enjoy balancing healing and DPS, and the skill ceiling was pleasantly high so that there was always something to strive for, it made healing fun for me.

Now I'm currently in the middle of going through the Five Stages of Grief, eventually accepting the situation and not touching a healer until SE finally gets their act together.

[deadman1204]

Is that all you people can think about? Raid Buff Raid Buff Raid Buff, like that's the only bloody thing that matters?

They said that overall, they want to reduce the importance of raid buffs, and synergy between jobs so that more people feel more equal, even if you don't have said buffs. Not everybody needs to be a hybrid healer/support or dps/support, and in fact I think it's rather unhealthy to the game when we try to do that for everybody. Let AST have its little niche, as do the other two jobs.

umm.... what?
Let one class be a healer and a buffer while the others are only healers? Do you hear yourself? All healers can heal all content. Give one amazing buffing potential on top of it but not the others? That just makes AST superior in every way.

[Yuyuka3]

If that group thinks that they wouldn't be able to get a clear (or that it'd affect their clear rate) without your very tiny raid DPS increase, then yes, good riddance.

Edit: Oh, and, WHM has a ton of things to offer. Raid DPS utility is simply not one of them. And it doesn't matter.

Let me get this straight. The world first group in UwU had a DRK, a WHM and a MNK. No AST, no DRG for their bard, no Warrior. So when the best players in the world don't even care about the meta, anyone who does (outside of the speedkill community) is someone you don't want to play with. Because these people simply don't understand how this game works, and simply go with whatever people told them, without an ounce of critical thinking.

If you, and everyone would stop caring about these people, FFXIV would be a better game to play. Unfortunatly, by making this thread, you show that these people who dictate things that are completly irrelevant even to them are still in the front of the scene. It should be time we turn of their spotlight.

And then the next group acts the same way, and the group after that one again, and... oh, hey! No more groups left that even look for a healer in general, much less WHM!
Or, also possible: Only a group far below your own skill level even wants you. I've been playing in a group for the last tier were I was the only one even hitting the 75 percentile... while ironing out all the damned mistakes they made left, right, and center. Yeah. GG...

With all this focus on raid buffs and what WHM didn't get, I think many are failing to see that WHM didn't lose useful abilities (other than perhaps aero III) like from HW to SB. It wasn't stripped like AST and SCH of parts of its identity and gets a 900 potency (depending on changes coming still) attack as well. WHM came out much better I think than going into SB where it lost Divine Seal, Shroud of Saints, Cleric Stance, Protect, stoneskin, and stoneskin II.

This could be though because there was nothing left to strip other than repose now being a role action, which some have said should go away as a whole.

I mean. Let's be honest. What did WHM even still have that was worth stripping from the job without destroying it completely?
That's right. Nothing.

[LadyKairi]

Why US???
We asked for a buff, preferably a rDPS buff, not the other healers getting destroyed! Don't blame US for THEIR idiocy! We got nothing to do with it, and our complaints were most definitely justified and not just some whining as you make it out to be.

But there have been plenty of whms on the forums stomping their feet and wishing sch/Ast got nerfed to the ground because their job wasn’t as good. Or making suggestions that make our two jobs crap, while the whm suggestions are beyond OP for the sake of being better. Screw balance amiright? There has been plenty of hatred towards us from whms. Take CelestaRosa as a VERY obvious example.

Hope they’re happy..

[Ayer2015]

I'm annoyed WHM still doesn't have access to AoE shields and a raid buff. Also.... the AST card change looks liek it will be less fun than current state.

[fantasticm]

Can't we just... Can't they just like... put in a trait that makes Presence of Mind AoE? You'd barely have to make a new animation for it. How hard could it be?