Thread: WHM still has no raid DPS buffs in 5.0

Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Edit: So a lot of people seem to be resorting to the old "If you're not in a world first group it doesn't matter." Technically, yes, I fully expect every raid including ultimates will be clearable without healer DPS buffs.

That is the absolute worst argument I've heard on this, and I hear it a lot.

Have you ever enraged at 1%? No? Then you probably haven't raided, in which case your opinion is based on feelings rather than experience. If you HAVE enraged on 1-2% and had a WHM in your party, all that time you spent on pulls after the enrage would be time of your life you'd have back.

I love WHM, but taking one is intentionally giving your group a debuff before you set foot in the instance.

Originally Posted by Josco

That is the absolute worst argument I've heard on this, and I hear it a lot.

Have you ever enraged at 1%? No? Then you probably haven't raided, in which case your opinion is based on feelings rather than experience. If you HAVE enraged on 1-2% and had a WHM in your party, all that time you spent on pulls after the enrage would be time of your life you'd have back.

I love WHM, but taking one is intentionally giving your group a debuff before you set foot in the instance.

If you enrage at 1%, people died, screwed up mechanics, or aren't doing their rotation properly.
You should look to improve these points first before blaming your healer for not having the small raid DPS increase that the rest of the group should've done.

Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Not to put to fine a point on it. But you rather clearly have the same understanding of the meta as SE's balance team.

Meta is an ever changing ever evolving thing btw. Todays meta isnt going to be tomorrows. SB meta is dead as of today. Things change. real Healers adjust.

Originally Posted by Fyce

If you enrage at 1%, people died, screwed up mechanics, or aren't doing their rotation properly.
You should look to improve these points first before blaming your healer for not having the small raid DPS increase that the rest of the group should've done.

I just logged in to say how laughable this logic really is.

If you wiped on 1%, you are probably new to the fight, had people dying left right and center, have several people on probably gray dps, etc...

Not to mention that people usually prefer WHM to progression because it has better healing and a much more "oh shit" toolkit and might be able to ave your ass in situations where SCH or AST couldn't. (Resulting in one or more less death, which means more damage overall). If you think healer dps is to blame for a 1% wipe, you know nothing of the game.

Anyways, I hope the SB healer situation is long dead and we never see a similar case again. SCH being absolutely mandatory, while the two remaining classes compete for a spot. Good riddance.

My 2 cents:

Plenary does not work on 10 seconds. Never has, never will. 30 seconds was nice, since it was useful. 2 aoes could be healed with medica, the third one with confessions. Was really nice.
But it would have been nice if it did anything else but more healing honestly. ANYTHING else than more healing.

Asylum: Why is it always the worst out of the 3 "Bubbles"? Sch has regen now, whm does not get a shield. Why did whm not get MINI mitigation on asylum, too? It's better than nothing.
Again, ANYTHING but more healing would have been nice.

Every other healer can have both regen and shield, whm can't.

The wings seem nice enough, but it has a long recast timer and only 20 seconds for 10%. But it's nice.
And i still like benison in itself but why do we not have something similar for the party?

It is not that hard to give asylum a mitigaiton... or plenary, if they NEED to make it 10 seconds again.
Or like, some sort of buff ast lost? Speed up? Don't care, anything but healing.

And you can't even say that the wings are too much since the othe rhealers can have mitigation ON DEMAND.

With all this focus on raid buffs and what WHM didn't get, I think many are failing to see that WHM didn't lose useful abilities (other than perhaps aero III) like from HW to SB. It wasn't stripped like AST and SCH of parts of its identity and gets a 900 potency (depending on changes coming still) attack as well. WHM came out much better I think than going into SB where it lost Divine Seal, Shroud of Saints, Cleric Stance, Protect, stoneskin, and stoneskin II.

This could be though because there was nothing left to strip other than repose now being a role action, which some have said should go away as a whole.

Originally Posted by Hustensaft

Taking numbers from fflogs and xivrdps: Chain Stratagem is up to 780 DPS. Nerf that by 33% and you get ~520 rdps. Assize deals 500-700 DPS, and SCH has no more oGCD DPS toolkit. You can technically say that Chain Stratagem is balanced against Assize's dmg contribution.

Oh my... Assize deals 400 DAMAGE, not DPS.
Chain still is a huge dps increse, even with the "nerf".