Everyone needs to stop complaining about stuff they've never tried themselves

[Deceptus]

The same thing that gets trotted out every new expansion:

1) Don't complain about what was shown pre-release until you try it yourself!

Followed by

2) Don't complain about it until you reach max level!

Followed by

3) Don't complain about it until the first raid tier is here!

Followed by

4) You're just playing it wrong

5) Meanwhile, the thing that was complained about before the expansion drops, the developers acknowledge something is wrong and take 2 months to fix it instead of taking feedback early and fixing it then. To which the white knights will shout from the rooftops:

"Look at SE listening to our feedback!!"

[Awha]

:P This mindset worked well for 4.0

[Vivian_Vex]

The same thing that gets trotted out every new expansion:

1) Don't complain about what was shown pre-release until you try it yourself!

Followed by if it is bad.

2) Complain

I fixed your list of how I act towards this stuff. You're welcome.

[Truen]

I can't wait to dot mobs one at a time at level 80 as if I'm running sastasha.

Don't even do it. Just shelve the trash and play something better imo. They either give us better class design options or let the SCH rot. It's sad, it was my favorite job but I'm already coming to terms with the inevitable. Come 5.0 I'll rather hate it.

[Jollyy5]

Don't even do it. Just shelve the trash and play something better imo. They either give us better class design options or let the SCH rot. It's sad, it was my favorite job but I'm already coming to terms with the inevitable. Come 5.0 I'll rather hate it.

Agreed, heck, I wouldn't be too surprised if you could run dungeons without a healer with all the self sustain and what not tanks get.

[Deceptus]

I fixed your list of how I act towards this stuff. You're welcome.

I'm paying for a product that allows me a place to voice my opinion. I'd be stupid not to .

Just like you're doing. Except I'm not being pretentious about it like you are.

[Hustensaft]

Let's go back to the start of FFXIV in 1.0 Alpha....

... Stuff will be patched in Beta.
... In Beta they said stuff will be patched in on Launch
... On Launch they suddenly noticed that everything was as it was.
... repeat for all other expansion launches...

Tooltips are more then enough to get the full picture, and in standard MMO dev cycles, it's pretty much impossible to except signficant changes from now to release in any sort. Most people playing MMOs generally have a good grasp of how stuff works when tooltips are halfway decently written.

[Vivian_Vex]

I'm paying for a product that allows me a place to voice my opinion. I'd be stupid not to .

Just like you're doing. Except I'm not being pretentious about it like you are.

I'm being pretentious by having the common understanding that playing and watching are two very different things? yeah, Okay. Whatever you say. As you entirely ignore the point I was going on about that I do not operate under that list and that I am open to giving criticism when I have a good understanding of the thing I am criticizing.

[Kabooa]

Don't even do it. Just shelve the trash and play something better imo. They either give us better class design options or let the SCH rot. It's sad, it was my favorite job but I'm already coming to terms with the inevitable. Come 5.0 I'll rather hate it.

Summoner has Bane, it's still listed as "ACN/SUM 30".

Are we sure Bane is gone?

[Anselmet]

Listen Vivian, I get it you want to be optimistic and that's great, but we have full rights to be salty before we play. Many of us guessed that Sch would be wimpy at launch of sb it was. Many of us guessed that the lily system would be bad, it was. Many of us knew that mch was still gonna be crap, it was. People knew that monk was still gonna miss out on meta, it was. We don't have to play the game to make pretty accurate guesses on what we're gonna be given. And for healers (bc I see you mainly posting in there) to be justified to have two skills as dps and a metric ton worth of healing, then they HAVE to make the content much harder.

And let me tell you something, Vivian, se's track record that I have seen over the years is that they nerf hard content vs making content harder. How many nerfs did Coin Counter in AV get before its current much less meaner iteration? Wasn't the Vault also nerfed at one point, too? The countless amounts of nerfs that came from ARR dungeons bc people on these forums cried it was too hard. Well, now we have all these capabilities to heal through these hard times but the likelihood of us getting harder content is... well very slim. And bc healing in normal content is and will always be boring, we now don't have is anything to do when the tank isn't bleeding out his ears.