Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[NekoNova]

Aren't there lore reasons as to why they're not there?
I know that some people love to say that '' they exist, so they should be playable ''.
But as far as I understand having male Viera's running around all over the place would be pretty lore breaking?

I dunno tho, I actually like the Viera being female only.
I always liked how the Night Elves were primarily a Matriarchal race and mostly women in Warcraft ( the men were basically asleep, and in WoW there was a lot of retconning for the sake of having male Nelfs be playable ).
It was always disappointing to me how they chickened out on that, and it made them less interesting to me.

I know that some people don't like race or gender locked stuff in games, but to me it can add a lot of flavor and make them feel more unique.
I don't see a problem with a race in a game that is basically only playable as one gender due to cultural lore reasons.
It's the same in games like Vindictus for instance or other Korean games, a lot of people complain about not being able to pick gender but totally miss how in Vindictus for instance you're actually picking between already established characters and not '' classes '', and I kinda like that.
I think that's how it was in Devilian too, you moreso picked between people than classes.

I don't think that we always have to have a choice presented to us, it can potentially just = sacrificing the artistic integrity of whatever.
Sometimes we shouldn't get what we want imo.
I mean it's sorta like as if an Amazonian race was added and people began complaining that there were no male Amazons.
I think that it'd be very disappointing if the devs then went ahead and added them and it would detract a lot from the Amazons as an entity in the setting.
And it'd be the same with Male Viera because of the lore, having them run around all over the place would just detract from the lore and I think that they should strive towards respecting the established lore and not sacrifice it on an altar just because some people want it.

Just because they exist doesn't mean that it makes sense to have a billion players run around playing as them.

Not this lore argument again, how many times do we have to debunk that lore is never a valid reason/argument, especially not in this game

[Kolsykol]

Not this lore argument again, how many times do we have to debunk that lore is never a valid reason/argument, especially not in this game

Why not?

The lore is honestly not my main concern tho.
I just personally think that it's fine to have races that are so drastically different in this way and that it adds some flavor to the setting and makes them feel different.
And I also have a soft spot for the whole '' woman only Amazonian people '' thing, so I am biased against male Viera's lol.

I am just getting Night Elf flashbacks, I was really disappointed with how Blizzard handled them.

[NekoNova]

Why not?

The lore is honestly not my main concern tho.
I just personally think that it's fine to have races that are so drastically different in this way and that it adds some flavor to the setting and makes them feel different.
And I also have a soft spot for the whole '' woman only Amazonian people '' thing, so I am biased against male Viera's lol.

I am just getting Night Elf flashbacks, I was really disappointed with how Blizzard handled them.

1. The lore is owned by the game team, they can rewrite it in whatever they want, regardless of what previous games said about Viera. This is FFXIV, not FFXII
2. Male Miqo'te were supposed to be rare as well, yet I see more furrballs running around than anything else.
3. Personal bias is never an argument. Nobody likes the "I don't like this, so nobody should have it" discussions. You don't like it, good, then dont play it but let others enjoy it

[Soralis]

1. The lore is owned by the game team, they can rewrite it in whatever they want, regardless of what previous games said about Viera. This is FFXIV, not FFXII
2. Male Miqo'te were supposed to be rare as well, yet I see more furrballs running around than anything else.
3. Personal bias is never an argument. Nobody likes the "I don't like this, so nobody should have it" discussions. You don't like it, good, then dont play it but let others enjoy it

I couldn't have said it better. i agree

[Evergrey]

3. Personal bias is never an argument. Nobody likes the "I don't like this, so nobody should have it" discussions. You don't like it, good, then dont play it but let others enjoy it

Isn't like, everything in this thread bias, one way or the other?
As long as someone has a horse in this race (wants Viera or don't want Viera), everything anyone sais will be bias.
So if "Personal bias is never an argument", then all the "We want Male Viera" arguments are, what? A-OK for some weird reason?
Yes, it's a thread that is about the support of Male Vieras, I know that.
But saying that everyone that doesn't like it is wrong, that's just not realistic.

"You don't like it, good, then dont play it but let others enjoy it"
I fully support that, as I use that same mindset aswell.
But what if Male Viera won't be a thing? Will you be able to think;
"What I wanted didn't happen, oh well, I'll make the best out of the situation and play another race that I like"?

It's two sides of the same coin. "I want" and "I don't want".
If one can't accept one side of the coin, then the other side is just as invalid.

[Halivel]

Why not?

The lore is honestly not my main concern tho.
I just personally think that it's fine to have races that are so drastically different in this way and that it adds some flavor to the setting and makes them feel different.
And I also have a soft spot for the whole '' woman only Amazonian people '' thing, so I am biased against male Viera's lol.

I am just getting Night Elf flashbacks, I was really disappointed with how Blizzard handled them.

Lore is a valid argument normally, but in case of FF14 and WoL it works... it doesn't work really.
We should be unable to play male Miqo'te (and we see them rarely among NPC and mostly sun Seekers, who are more common, Moon Keepers are 2 or 3 character in few side quests). We should be unable to play Duskwite Elezens (There is only 1 as far as I remember in Lancer 1-30 lvl story). We should be unable to play Au Ra as race at all (Ah this quest when Yugiri finally shows hew face with worrying if anybody will find her appearance odd or even bad). Actually, we should not add even female Viera in the first place because of their lore (those who leaves the forest = betrayers and can't turn back).

We should be unable to play WHM, SCH, SMN, DRK, BLM, RDM, SAM, etc, etc, etc. We need to delete 80% of playable content if we want to praise lore. But. WoL is an exception, outsider, who makes things as he wants, because Mother Crystal called to him. We are special. Players around us are just background, they are not canon. That's why lore can't be an excuse to exclude only one gender, if another one, lore-breaking as well, already implemented.

[Evergrey]

Why not?

The lore is honestly not my main concern tho.
I just personally think that it's fine to have races that are so drastically different in this way and that it adds some flavor to the setting and makes them feel different.
And I also have a soft spot for the whole '' woman only Amazonian people '' thing, so I am biased against male Viera's lol.

I am just getting Night Elf flashbacks, I was really disappointed with how Blizzard handled them.

To be honest, SE have already given in to the cries (literally) of the people.
If I'm not mistaken, I heard long ago that they didn't want to add Viera to FFXIV, as they wanted to keep the games apart to make them have their own personalities.

I do agree with you on this one however.
Lore gives a game and its world more character and we should really embrace it.
Because without lore, then what's the reason to play a story driven game?
I do know it's 2019, and everyone is a special snowflake and equality is a must. Or else someone is a racist, sexist etc etc. Even when it comes to pixels in a fantasy world where anything could be possible, because, you know, it's fantasy and not real.
So it's not impossible that one gender of a race might not be present to the story we're playing.

I do know that the Miqo'te male lore was pretty much similare to how the Viera Male lore is. Males live mostly alone and secluded while the females are more active in the ongoing world.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they add the Miqo'te males to ARR? Meaning that originally the males were not playable aswell.
Even as far back as FF11, there was no Male Miqo'te (or female Roes). Now I didn't play that game, so no idea how the community acted around that.
(Yes, I do know the names of the races were different in that game. I just choose not to.)

I do support when game developers try to make their game feel more unique and flavour it with all kinds of lore.
But these days more and more give in to the cries (yet again, literally) of the people. Meaning that more and more, the games feel less unique and more generic.

Don't take me wrong though. I do love variety and costumizations. So good for you that you get Bunny Girls.
Personally I will go for Hrothgar. As finally we're gonna get a race that looks more fierce.
It just saddens me that the price for that more variety comes at the cost of games personality.

Like back in old WoW, where Horde had Shamans and Alliance Paladins. But due to the cries (you know the drill), they gave each factions both choises. Taking away the factions uniqueness and made it all generic.