Possible Compromise on Gender Locks: Volunteer Work

[SilverObi]

This could’ve been thrown into either of the two megathreads.

[Shiro--Tsubasa]

Do you think that people will be mad because male viera or female hrotgar are added? The only reason some ppl dosent want them is because of some ppl (like on from a thread that has already died) made us look bad and they didnt want us to get what we wanted. at least 99% of the playerbase wouldnt get anywhere close to mad because others have more options than before

reread what I said because nothing what you said connects to what I said. People's feelings are irrelevant. I'm talking about facts. It is a fact that introducing the two genders would harm the game long term due to how much resources they would eat up not just for their creation, but also for their continued existence. Also because somebody will argue, yes there are different teams, but they all pull from the same pool of resources. I'm talking things not being included that would have been if they could afford the resources, i'm talking delayed patch cycles, I'm talking increased work load for a dev team already pushed to their limits as it is. You are asking EVERYONE to make a sacrifice so a vocal minority can get a new shiny that they were never promised to begin with. People being mad is NOT the basis of my argument so stop trying to make it so.
This doesn't even address future story telling concerns considering history has shown that when you make males playable to an amazonian themed race their story gets muddied and even butchered. (look at Night Elves in WoW and how they went from a proud Amazonian race of warrior women to subservient housewives the moment males became accessible to players)

[KokonoeAiyoko]

please don't lump the entire ff14 community under this. Not everybody wants the other genders for the two races, most are content with what we got and some don't want em in the game.

Lmao "most" you mean you? And you ain't the FF14 community.

People who deliberately want to stifle options have no say in the matter.

[Shiro--Tsubasa]

Lmao "most" you mean you? And you ain't the FF14 community.

People who deliberately want to stifle options have no say in the matter.

people do have a say in the matter when it effects them. By "most" i mean the fact that these forums as well as the reddit doesn't even make up for 10% of the entire FF14 player base. This means "most' are content or don't care enough to speak on it.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

people do have a say in the matter when it effects them. By "most" i mean the fact that these forums as well as the reddit doesn't even make up for 10% of the entire FF14 player base. This means "most' are content or don't care enough to speak on it.

Nah you don't. If you deliberately want something gone for no reason you can honestly take a hike for all I care.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Lmao "most" you mean you? And you ain't the FF14 community.

People who deliberately want to stifle options have no say in the matter.

Actually, everyone has a say in the matter and trying to dictate otherwise will paint you in an extremely negative light. While I support more options for all players, I don't support those who think their opinion matters more or that others don't matter because of their opinion. Just because you don't like their opinion doesn't mean they aren't entitled to one.

As far as "most" goes, I'm not sure that is correct but I also know there are some that don't want the missing genders added. I can see the reasoning on both sides as lore has been set in place. Now before you all go "Lore is a bullshit reason!" To some it isn't. There are many out there who love the lore and wish for it to be followed. Now, SE can alter the lore or perhaps create a reason within said lore for the missing genders to emerge and I think that would please most people if they included them alongside this new lore explaining why they are suddenly being seen.

TLDR: respect everyone even if your opinion differs. People have different views on many things and it doesn't mean their opinion, or your opinion, is more valuable. Also, I hope we get more customization!

[Shiro--Tsubasa]

Nah you don't. If you deliberately want something gone for no reason you can honestly take a hike for all I care.

there are reasons, logical ones. all you have to do is scroll up and I list a few of them. x.x
also, I can't want something gone that never existed in the first place.

[KokonoeAiyoko]

Actually, everyone has a say in the matter and trying to dictate otherwise will paint you in an extremely negative light. While I support more options for all players, I don't support those who think their opinion matters more or that others don't matter because of their opinion. Just because you don't like their opinion doesn't mean they aren't entitled to one.

As far as "most" goes, I'm not sure that is correct but I also know there are some that don't want the missing genders added. I can see the reasoning on both sides as lore has been set in place. Now before you all go "Lore is a bullshit reason!" To some it isn't. There are many out there who love the lore and wish for it to be followed. Now, SE can alter the lore or perhaps create a reason within said lore for the missing genders to emerge and I think that would please most people if they included them alongside this new lore explaining why they are suddenly being seen.

TLDR: respect everyone even if your opinion differs. People have different views on many things and it doesn't mean their opinion, or your opinion, is more valuable. Also, I hope we get more customization!

Nah people who want to stifle options for no reason's opinion is invalid. They have no importance it's just someone being a dick plain and simple.

Saying you don't care is a valid opinion. Saying you deliberately don't want them in the game on this forum as a argument point for them not existing is not valid.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Nah people who want to stifle options for no reason's opinion is invalid. They have no importance it's just someone being a dick plain and simple.

Saying you don't care is a valid opinion. Saying you deliberately don't want them in the game on this forum as a argument point for them not existing is not valid.

You don't have the right to invalidate someone's opinion. Just like they don't have a right to invalidate yours.

[pclarkson85]

It's very doubtful FFXIV dev team uses the sort of tools some random modders would understand enough to use. Not too mention they would not be made available to the public for use. Most things made outside of the game engine like characters require expensive software like Maya for rigging and animating.

While it's an interesting idea, can't work for MMOs. People really don't seem to realize what development actually is. the shear amount of work it would take to create 2 more character models to completion with a level of polish of the rest. Demanding devs to do things over the internet is getting out of hand. Let them make the game, they are professionals.

It really is a shame that it seems common people with no experience actually developing a project albeit, software, media, any type of digital content feel they can tell professionals how to do it and that they are doing it wrong.
Really blows my mind.