do something about the bots

[xJimmehx]

How exactly is a GM going to prove 200 people lied, and abused the system to get someone banned? Not to mention the man hours involved. Absolutely ridiculous. This is actually worse than the mentor idea.

What are the actual chances that 200+ people would all gang up on one person and abuse the system? What does it take to determine if somebody is botting?
Teleporting? Spamming "By GIL NOW @SOMETHING.COM"
If something like that is found, then isnt it obvious? IF not...then why would anyone ban them beyond lying?

[SturmChurro]

What are the actual chances that 200+ people would all gang up on one person and abuse the system? What does it take to determine if somebody is botting?
Teleporting? Spamming "By GIL NOW @SOMETHING.COM"
If something like that is found, then isnt it obvious? IF not...then why would anyone ban them beyond lying?

Oh I don't know maybe some hunt train or discord community decide they don't like somebody?

[xJimmehx]

Oh I don't know maybe some hunt train or discord community decide they don't like somebody?

Then they better hope the person they lied on has said that they are selling gil in chat within like the last hour or so...?

[savageink]

Oh I don't know maybe some hunt train or discord community decide they don't like somebody?

...or somebody with 200 bot accounts.

[SturmChurro]

...or somebody with 200 bot accounts.

The irony!

[xJimmehx]

...or somebody with 200 bot accounts.

I dont think it would matter how many accounts, If the player removed has not done anything that screams "bot", such as spamming gil ads or teleporting through the ground. If we are smart enough to point bots out, i would hate to think that SE could not.

[xJimmehx]

The irony!

Are you going to explain to me why my idea would not work or are you going to post memes? Memes do not substitute for an intelligent response. So If youre just going to meme I have nothing left to gain from this discussion and will take my leave from it.

Edit: Also note, about "resources."

It only takes 1 gm to examine the one player being accused. The only time they would investigate the others (who reported them) is IF there is nothing there. The resources shouldn't change that much. If some people DO go out of their way and lie to abuse the system, well the account can be banned, so they can only do it once. Im sure people would get the message loud and clear.

[DrWho2010]

things like jail exist in the real world. if people got the message about committing crimes we wouldn't be in such a crappy world where people lie, cheat, steal and murder.

but yes, the GM's should hire you instantly. then the game would be fixed forever! huzzah!

[xJimmehx]

things like jail exist in the real world. if people got the message about committing crimes we wouldn't be in such a crappy world where people lie, cheat, steal and murder.

but yes, the GM's should hire you instantly. then the game would be fixed forever! huzzah!

Do you have any idea how much worse it would be if we had zero law enforcement? Where did i claim law, or enforcing the ToS would be 'Perfect' and stop ALL possible incidents?
It would of course help.

Huzzah, indeed!

Edit:

Look, as far as prison goes, people DO get the message. Thats WHY you listed "lie, cheat, steal and murder." You KNOW if you do it, you will be punished if caught.(lying not so much, unless on federal documents maybe) Will it stop everyone? Of course not, but thats exactly why prison and banning exist in the first place. For the few that still do it. The concept of law and in this case, more importantly, FFXIV and how they enforce the ToS, will not stop everyone but will scare away most but the more extreme cases. It still helps knowing that you could be banned for buying gil or calling somebody the N word in chat. More people would if the fear weren't lingering over them. Also the entire point of a ban or prison, is to remove people from the game/society who would not adhere to the rules of said game/society. This not only punishes them from doing so, but it also prevents them from being able to do so again while protecting the people who DO follow the rules all in the same process.

Going to bed. 2:49 here. Still open to discuss later if anyone is interested. Have a good night.

[KageTokage]

They really should just have a quick report function for suspected botters.

Even if they can't readily identify someone as a bot from a report, if an individual is routinely getting reports piled on them from different people, it would suggest that they are almost certainly doing something wrong and that they should be given a proper investigation.