Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Lauront]

get your enthusiasm but probably should have just said you have support about male viera instead of copy paste what you said in your thread

Probably just a troll, trying to satirise the mViera crowd, or create the bogeyman those who oppose their addition so need.

[Theodric]

The post in question could go either way, though is best brushed under the rug in my opinion.

[Yllania]

Well youre allowed to have that opinion but I disagree

[spf1200]

Second of all, do you think that if nobody wanted male viera this would be the most liked thread on the forums, with the most pages, and a demand so high than the devs said that if they can find a way to do so they will go out of their way and do it?

The number if posts is vastly Inflated by people posting many times a day (such as yourself) and many of those posts are people saying they don't want male bunnies. I'm willing to bet less than half of the posts in this thread are unique posters that want male buns

[van_arn]

The number if posts is vastly Inflated by people posting many times a day (such as yourself) and many of those posts are people saying they don't want male bunnies. I'm willing to bet less than half of the posts in this thread are unique posters that want male buns

Or perhaps this would be the next bunny outfit saga, where the forums lead a self righteous crusade for something to be added... And it turns out to be a comparative waste of time for how underutilized it is.

As things stand, I can see a lot of Catboys changing over to Bunboys, but merely changing between adjacent options is nowhere near as interesting as new options.

That's not to say hrothgar are completely new, but the big bodies and beastly face combination hasn't been a player option until now, and even if few pick up the race there's more value in having them occasionally pop up than just a bunch of cat ears suddenly being replaced with bunny ears.

[Lauront]

It's not going to convince people who don't like the big bodies to play the race, so it could just end up that that scenario manifests with Hrothgar, i.e. you get Roes changing into Hrothgar and not much else. Humanoid face just suddenly replaced with a beast face. We shall see following a few months into 5.0. As for Viera, whether the design is popular or not is entirely in SE's hands and how well they implement it...

By the by, how does that argument not apply to female Viera?

The number if posts is vastly Inflated by people posting many times a day (such as yourself) and many of those posts are people saying they don't want male bunnies. I'm willing to bet less than half of the posts in this thread are unique posters that want male buns

Yeah, unfortunately the whole "nobody wants them" is one of those claims just pulled out of places where the sun don't shine. There's no real evidence of it as things stand. So whilst this thread's posts are inflated due to frequent posting (much like any topic on here and yet they don't reach similar page counts), it also has a much higher number of likes on it than any other thread. There is no end to the spurious arguments trotted out on a daily basis by some quarters against an option they don't like 'cuz muh reasons.

[spf1200]

It's not going to convince people who don't like the big bodies to play the race, so it could just end up that that scenario manifests with Hrothgar, i.e. you get Roes changing into Hrothgar and not much else. Humanoid face just suddenly replaced with a beast face. We shall see following a few months into 5.0. As for Viera, whether the design is popular or not is entirely in SE's hands and how well they implement it...

By the by, how does that argument not apply to female Viera?



Yeah, unfortunately the whole "nobody wants them" is one of those claims just pulled out of places where the sun don't shine. There's no real evidence of it as things stand. So whilst this thread's posts are inflated due to frequent posting (much like any topic on here and yet they don't reach similar page counts), it also has a much higher number of likes on it than any other thread. There is no end to the spurious arguments trotted out on a daily basis by some quarters against an option they don't like 'cuz muh reasons.

Think you may have taken my post a little too personally. There are clearly a lot of people that want this. I am just saying that thread size isn't a clear indication of how many people. I never said nobody wants them and am not sure where that can from you may want to take a break from the forums as you seem to be rather agitated and it seems to be making you see things that aren't there.

[Lauront]

I don't recall attributing the claim to you. Perhaps you're the one seeing things that aren't there (it was a comment in the post you were quoting.)

As for your suggestion, whilst I am sure it comes out of a place of genuine concern... nah. Not happening.

[van_arn]

It's not going to convince people who don't like the big bodies to play the race, so it could just end up that that scenario manifests with Hrothgar, i.e. you get Roes changing into Hrothgar and not much else. Humanoid face just suddenly replaced with a beast face. We shall see following a few months into 5.0. As for Viera, whether the design is popular or not is entirely in SE's hands and how well they implement it...

By the by, how does that argument not apply to female Viera?



Yeah, unfortunately the whole "nobody wants them" is one of those claims just pulled out of places where the sun don't shine. There's no real evidence of it as things stand. So whilst this thread's posts are inflated due to frequent posting (much like any topic on here and yet they don't reach similar page counts), it also has a much higher number of likes on it than any other thread. There is no end to the spurious arguments trotted out on a daily basis by some quarters against an option they don't like 'cuz muh reasons.

We don't have that many Roegadyn. As a result, we don't see much variation in body styles among male characters. Hrothgar might help with this, but even if they don't their beastlike face is a much better contrast than just their bodies when they eventually show up.

As for female viera, I'd much rather have an ugly race option myself -- but this is what the developers have decided to give us. I can't say I blame them for going for yet another generic pretty girl, not when the least-pretty race is so criminally underplayed instead of white bread catgirl.

If I were to take the developers to task to stick to a decision, I'd say adding femgar would have provided a greater value to player options as a whole.

It feels like they made a mistake by adding Viera at all, honestly. We didn't really need them, and now it's more drama for another option that won't provide much additional diversity.

We really do have too much pretty. Give me a rat-person, or a hideous old crone instead. Or break the emergency glass and let me main moogle.

[Lauront]

Then by all means, ask them for it, but let's not forget they're not doing this for charity but with the aim of realising higher profits. There is no guarantee either race will do so, least of all mHrothgar, because the aim is to capture those "refugees" from other MMOs who are put out by the lack of a beast race option. It's an uncertain gamble, which they acknowledge, but it is not being done without that constraint in mind.

Diversity for its own sake is no doubt meaningless to SE, because they have shareholders they have to deliver value to at the end of the day. Given the resource intensity of adding new races, they have to at least believe they have a reasonable expected return on investment. Thus they would be rather unlucky if all Viera and Hrothgar ended up doing is cannibalising existing race figures... which may well happen.

I don't think it'd be as big an issue if they had better tools to work with, but their graphics systems are - by their own admission - way behind and a big constraint. Remains to be seen if that will be fixed in time.