Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[spf1200]

I don't recall attributing the claim to you. Perhaps you're the one seeing things that aren't there (it was a comment in the post you were quoting.)

As for your suggestion, whilst I am sure it comes out of a place of genuine concern... nah. Not happening.

Oh my bad I assumed since it was in response to my quote you thought I had said it.

[WhiteArchmage]

I have an honest question, I keep seeing the term "missing" or "locked" genders, which implies that they were added then removed in some way or that they are implied to be implemented. The impressions that I have gotten is that they may be added in the future but no guarantees.

I know it's kind of late but there was a whole THING when the most comfortable term to use was "gender lock" (which in this case meant the races are locked to one gender), but then a faction started critisizing the term because for them it meant something else (like Dancer and Bard in Tactics being locked to females and males, respectively). The argument had really no point but semantics yet still some detractors rolled with it to discredit the support ("see? there's no gender lock! they never existed!").

A couple of us started to use "missing" in response, which is still accurate given that mViera/fHroth do exist in the Lore, they're just not playable. Hence: "missing" from view and/or gameplay.

As for the rest, as zeylos said: the XI team is not the XIV team, and Yoshi-P is much more open to player feedback (the XI team worked in 1.0... 'nuff said). IF the Dev team gets enough resources to pull it off, I believe we'll have playable mViera/fHroth, the "when" is the big question.

[Lauront]

They're probably waiting to see 1) how well the expansion turns out and 2) how popular the two new races prove to be. Making a decision on adding the missing genders before this would be premature.

[Crushnight]

Over the past couple of weeks i kept going over male viera and female hrothgar and the more i thought about it the more my concerns rose i now have it in my head that if they do not come with 6.0 they probably will not ever come, this is due to the current issues surrounding female Viera and male Hrothgar these have been in development since around 4.1 yet on 5.0 release they will not have full access to headgear and they took far longer to polish the models than the Au Ra did.

So adding on another full expansion worth of gear and all of 6.0 this task gets far harder and we most definitely if they do release them with 6.0 have restrictions on gear (most likely headgear), well what if they wait till 7.0 then you got all gear from 1.0 to 7.0 to fit onto the models and if they struggling now and having the restrictions for 5.0 2 expansions behind that welp it looks dire and at this point work for these genders would absolutely be needed to start in 5.X lifecycle to be remotely ready for 7.0 especially if they keep sticking to the patch cycle time frame of 3-4 months, and i don't think the masses or SE board would accept an increase to that time scale yet.

TLDR: my only hope for these genders is 6.0 as any further than that and work for them would have to be started 2 expansions earlier.

[zeylos]

Over the past couple of weeks i kept going over male viera and female hrothgar and the more i thought about it the more my concerns rose i now have it in my head that if they do not come with 6.0 they probably will not ever come, this is due to the current issues surrounding female Viera and male Hrothgar these have been in development since around 4.1 yet on 5.0 release they will not have full access to headgear and they took far longer to polish the models than the Au Ra did.

So adding on another full expansion worth of gear and all of 6.0 this task gets far harder and we most definitely if they do release them with 6.0 have restrictions on gear (most likely headgear), well what if they wait till 7.0 then you got all gear from 1.0 to 7.0 to fit onto the models and if they struggling now and having the restrictions for 5.0 2 expansions behind that welp it looks dire and at this point work for these genders would absolutely be needed to start in 5.X lifecycle to be remotely ready for 7.0 especially if they keep sticking to the patch cycle time frame of 3-4 months, and i don't think the masses or SE board would accept an increase to that time scale yet.

TLDR: my only hope for these genders is 6.0 as any further than that and work for them would have to be started 2 expansions earlier.

I'm personally quite positive that we will get them in 6.0 due to player feedback nd I honestly think they would he wise to use them as a selling point for the game and the expansion

[zeylos]

Over the past couple of weeks i kept going over male viera and female hrothgar and the more i thought about it the more my concerns rose i now have it in my head that if they do not come with 6.0 they probably will not ever come, this is due to the current issues surrounding female Viera and male Hrothgar these have been in development since around 4.1 yet on 5.0 release they will not have full access to headgear and they took far longer to polish the models than the Au Ra did.

So adding on another full expansion worth of gear and all of 6.0 this task gets far harder and we most definitely if they do release them with 6.0 have restrictions on gear (most likely headgear), well what if they wait till 7.0 then you got all gear from 1.0 to 7.0 to fit onto the models and if they struggling now and having the restrictions for 5.0 2 expansions behind that welp it looks dire and at this point work for these genders would absolutely be needed to start in 5.X lifecycle to be remotely ready for 7.0 especially if they keep sticking to the patch cycle time frame of 3-4 months, and i don't think the masses or SE board would accept an increase to that time scale yet.

TLDR: my only hope for these genders is 6.0 as any further than that and work for them would have to be started 2 expansions earlier.

Also I must say I would not mind if head gear or gear under lvl 50 and that isn't glamour isn't visible (maybe make all the trash gear sets look like racial armor?)

[SturmChurro]

I'm personally quite positive that we will get them in 6.0 due to player feedback nd I honestly think they would he wise to use them as a selling point for the game and the expansion

That's what you've been saying, but I'd say don't expect them at all.

[zeylos]

They're probably waiting to see 1) how well the expansion turns out and 2) how popular the two new races prove to be. Making a decision on adding the missing genders before this would be premature.

I think that if the expansion is about to die they will rush the missing genders in hopes to save it and if the expansion foes extremely well they will have more than enough resources to do so

[CoolDad]

I would caution against reading into everything as a positive sign or believing that you can foresee what square will do. This is the exact mindset that made people believe that the "to us male Viera basically don't exist" lore dump was actually confirmation of them coming and not square foreshadowing that they were not. Low expectations will let you be surprised down the line or at the very least not as let down as you would be. I'm obviously not saying not to show your support or your enthusiasm for the idea of the other genders being added, but at this point if you EXPECT it you may be setting yourself up for more disappointment.

[Theodric]

I'm fine either way. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it's not like I hate the game itself and there's multiple choices that I like playing as already.