Regarding Mentors in Mentor roulette, ''going offline'' than requeuing again

[Spratchet]

Yeah, nah to that one.

Being a mentor and helping new players is fine, but helping people trying to do synced EX content is gonna be a pass for me. Once you hit level 50 you shouldn't need mentors or the NN anymore, and I ain't spoon feeding anyone anything. Mentors help new players, not lazy players.

It is not "lazy" to ask what mechanics a fight has or how to be better at something. No-one in this game learned anything entirely on their own.

[Raldo]

Generally, from my personal experience, Mentors who get dropped in EX trials do not give advice beyond "What are you doing here?! You should have watched a video! Don't queue for the content if you don't know it!." People do not care about helping or teaching whatsoever.

I don't think I've ever seen a mentor expect the newbies to know how to do an EX fight. Usually the knee-jerk response is "Why would someone queue for this in the Duty Finder? Sheesh. Use the Party Finder." Most comments along these lines are curt and/or impolite, but the best mentor advice to give in EX trials is to inform them about the Party Finder. Sure, if the mentor knows how to do the duty and the newbies genuinely want to learn, of course they should explain things, but more often than not, EX trials are a case of "I just want a clear, and I don't know about and/or don't understand the Party Finder."

The last time I got an EX in a mentor roulette, the tank (not a mentor!) wouldn't even wait 10 seconds between pulls to explain anything. Clearly they didn't want any advice.

[Tempest222]

Ex trials really shouldn’t be in mentor roulette honestly. That’s just asking to waste everyone’s time. I’m not a mentor, but if I were I would literally be completely useless if I landed in an ex fight because the only ones I have unlocked are the old ones that I was able to clear solo unsynced. I pretty much know none of the mechanics or how it’s supposed to be played in a group, all I know is run in and kill it in under a minute until you get a mount. So just because someone is a mentor doesn’t actually mean they know how to do certain fights since there is no requirement saying you have to have cleared certain things unsynced, and even if they have they may not remember it well.

As far as disconnecting, unless someone says something in chat indicating they are intentionally dcing then a GM really shouldn’t do anything. You can punish people for losing connection whether or not you think you are certain it was intentional based on the timing. All a GM will be able to see is that there was a disconnect.

[Hash_Browns]

It is not "lazy" to ask what mechanics a fight has or how to be better at something. No-one in this game learned anything entirely on their own.

It's lazy to ask to be spoon-fed information, and what I mean by this is simply to request the entire fight.

Asking questions isn't lazy.
Expecting me to teach you a fight from start to finish because I am a mentor, however, is lazy.

[alimdia]

You don't go into Seiryu EX in mentor roulette anyway so your point is a little moot. However I fail to see how it's a bad thing to ask how the mechanics work? Explaining a mechanic is not the same as holding someone's hand to make sure they execute it properly.

It's called an analogy, there's no difference between Seiryu EX and Thordan or Sephirot EX synced. If you don't expect it from current end-game fights you shouldn't expect it from older end-game fights.

[Wolwosh]

If they "dc" come online again and immediatly log out again you can prove it

[Krojack]

Mentors are specifically there to help people who want help. Mentor roulette is not for Mentors to get a quick clear and call it a day. If people can't handle that they might be in a duty for an hour then they shouldn't run the roulette. Simple as that.



The entire point of being a Mentor is to help players who want to be "spoon-fed information." We became Mentors to help people, not to decide who is or isn't ready for content.

I'm fine with helping people but like I said these ex fights are VERY HARD to explain to people unless you can get then in discord and I'm not really willing to go that far nor are most people willing to join a discord. So in return almost ALL primal ex fights end in a vote dismiss after 20 minutes or 60mins of just wiping over and over and no progress made. That's assuming someone doesn't leave right at the start and you then sit there waiting for the spot to fill for 20 minutes.

They should add a new party finder category for these where mentors can join them and help, by doing so that mentor could get double credit or something.

This is not a matter of "quick clears for mount" but more time spent resulting in absolutely zero progression. It's 100% a waste of time 95% of the time.

[Canadane]

It's against the rules if you can prove it.



To be fair, while they should remove it or put the mount somewhere else, EX trials shouldn't be in the Mentor Roulette in the first place - so I can understand the frustration of getting an EX trial.

Ex trials should absolutely be in Mentor Roulette.
The mount, the crown, the achievements - maybe save for a title or two, should not have been.

[griffinborn]

I hung up my crown a long time ago. I don't want to hurt anymore.

[Krotoan]

It's lazy to ask to be spoon-fed information, and what I mean by this is simply to request the entire fight.

Asking questions isn't lazy.
Expecting me to teach you a fight from start to finish because I am a mentor, however, is lazy.

So there ARE youtube videos and outright text walkthroughs available online. Granted. But asking someone for a runthrough of a fight in a game when you're playing that game isn't exactly lazy. Yes I would expect that request to be polite but if you're berating people for asking for help with a game in the game, I dunno.. maybe "mentor" isn't a title you deserve. Not everyone knows where or how to look for the guides and honestly some people don't really learn without doing. It's considerate to try and figure out a fight/dungeon before you drag randoms into it, but it's part of the game itself to learn the mechanics in game. Someone had to do it before the walkthroughs came out and just because the walkthroughs are there doesn't mean it's required reading.

"Hi, I've just unlocked this, any advice before we start?"
This is your chance to minimize headache and time wasted. If you refuse or wish to leave that is your prerogative, however youtube and walkthroughs shouldn't be compulsory.