Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Sanctify]

We refilled and got a tank worth his salt dps didn't get shafted and we cleared just fine. There was a happy ending

[Veis_Alveare]

FTFY

And no, just because they have several omega pieces doesn't mean they are good. I've seen enough people screwing up their rotation big time, but still doing enough together with other well-playing players to get carried.

edit: and yes, party leader refuse to kick those players just because they want to 'get this over with'



I don't know why you think this particular (bad?) tank already did a flash on mobs. Ofc a flash is enough to hold aggro against a regen, but that is not the problem here. The problem is to hit them with flash before the trash is rushing towards the healer.

I can't believe this is still going on. Please, for the love of god, learn before you try tanking.

The enemies are ahead of the party.

The tank is at the front of the party.

The healer is with the dps behind the tank which places the tank between the enemies and the healer.

When the enemies go towards the healer they have to go past the tank. If a pld can't grab those enemies with flash he should go back to the hall of the Novice to understand the range and use of flash (which is a NN lesson! So is keeping enemies off of your healer!) but I'm willing to bet a tank clearing final omega doesn't need help understanding how his abilities function at a basic level.

We refilled and got a tank worth his salt dps didn't get shafted and we cleared just fine. There was a happy ending

Awesome!

[Dualblade]

So off the conversation but also similar to it funnily enough:

Last night I went into Ridoranna because I needed the token and went as a DRK. While on the run to the first boss I saw both of the other tanks were in tank stance so I decided not to go in Grit. Things started off well enough with the WAR tanking but he ended up dieing to...I'm not quite sure why but it was after the first tidal wave attacks so it might just be their healers died. Regardless I ended up tanking after that (though the BLM tank WAS doing pretty well!) and outside of one of the orbs bursting things went good.

So we make it to the second boss, I start a ready check since we have some time for people to run up. While waiting on one person to hit the R but before the timer for it is gone one of the healers of my group decides to pull. Haha, its funny, I let them tank it because hey, you pull you tank...then it goes to one of my dps. And the other tanks don't seem to want to tank anymore. So whatever I take it, things go normal from there. Little bit of fun on the trash group after when I almost die twice because I took two of the hard hitting mobs on me sending me down below 10k but no deaths.

So Constructor, everyone's favorite! We get to the arena and before anyone can do anything, ready checks, timers, tanks aren't even all there yet much less the rest of the alliance the same healer decides to pull again. Again I did what I did before but when neither of the other tanks decides to tank I go for it again...not before one of my dps gets tank busted this time. Then half the alliance dies his first use of the turning attack. Then the early pulling healer and a dps leave.

So at that point I assume, with the amount of deaths we have, we are gonna just wipe and restart. That wasn't the case we got past the calculate phase, and one group managed to down their add in the Tartarus phase. From their it was one loooooooooooooong trip down memory lane to when Ridoranna first came out as most of the alliance still in the arena that were getting rezzed died over and over usually due to his turning blast attack, as well as when not enough people stacked because half the alive people were targeted by the big aoe markers. The PLD did a good job keeping themselves up even when their whole alliance ended up dead at one point other than themself and I was able to keep myself alive via TBN and changing to Grit for some HP regen at certain points. We had two Heal lbs throughtout as well, would have had three but I think team B had gone down completely with no rezzes by that point. Did get to use DRK lb at the end though since no one else was using it at 1%!

So we made it through that pain, some of the new people trying to apologize but they had nothing to apologize for as other parts of the alliance said, and Yiazmat went smoothly with the PLD tanking again. Also got to use DRK lb again since noone used it before Yiazmat starting raking at the last 10%. It was...it was a run to close the night on and get some sleep.

[Lynesse]

Those bombs are the bane of my existence. As a BLM, sometimes I'll attempt to dodge around and not take anything because I don't want to be "that BLM" but sometimes I'll just Manaward and eat the first one because I don't feel like it. If I hit 70 WHM I don't even know what I'll do.

That's smart!

I think maybe if you use Divine Benison on yourself and get ready to Tetra yourself back up to full, you'd be fine. xP I haven't tried, though.

I move to the center, face the bomb she's tethered to, then wait for it to explode, wait for the two other bombs to explode, then sprint through to the safe zone they leave.

But knowing to do that is pure trial and error!

[JohnSpawnVFX]

I can't believe this is still going on. Please, for the love of god, learn before you try tanking.

This is still going on because apparently "Tank, why didn't you adjust?" is a thing now. As well as the usual "He's a raider so he has to shut up and compensate for everyone's inadequacy (carry)".
Wonder if it would be the same tune, if the tank was a sprout...

The enemies are ahead of the party.

The tank is at the front of the party.

The healer is with the dps behind the tank which places the tank between the enemies and the healer.

Assuming everyone's in a Flash-sized corridor, and the healer's not standing off to one of the sides...

When the enemies go towards the healer they have to go past the tank. If a pld can't grab those enemies with flash he should go back to the hall of the Novice to understand the range and use of flash (which is a NN lesson! So is keeping enemies off of your healer!) but I'm willing to bet a tank clearing final omega doesn't need help understanding how his abilities function at a basic level.

If the healer doesn't understand how aggro works and the effects of Regen on it, mayhap they should return to Qarn and Cutter's Cry to understand the effects of regening a tank mid-pull.
Also let's not forget none of this would have happened if the healer simply respected the tank's wishes instead of just going "oh lol, I'll just keep doing something I shouldn't be doing and have the tank compensate for that".

Feel free to keep denouncing a tank diva, but don't forget they only bared their claws because the healer decided to be one as well.

[Mixt]

I've had that happen to me actually.

The course of events went like this.

-Healer puts up regen before pull

-I shield lob one foe, the one i hit comes for me, and the rest of the pack beelines for the healer

-I cast flash as the mobs run past...but even though it LOOKS like they are in range, as they are basically touching my sides when i cast Flash, it turns out they aren't, and Flash misses, because it turns out there is a slight difference between graphics and where the server says the mobs are (DAMN YOU SERVER TICKS!)

-Healer runs away back the way we came, preventing me from grabbing the mobs back because they are now out of range of all my abilities, and i can't catch up

-Healer reaches start of dungeon, runs out of places to run, dies horribly

-I shrug, then move on and pull the next pack, keeping myself alive with cooldowns and Clemency. Sorry healer, but it turns out you aren't actually needed.

-Goes on the clear the dungeon with just me and the two DPS, keeping all three of us up with just Clemency after the healer RAGE QUIT!

[Nononu]

I've been reading a lot of stories here recently. And I've even posted here once.

But oh my god.

Naively, I thought, some of these things can't possibly be true! And today, I was shown the error of my ways.

To start, I would like to say, I usually tank or heal. I'm casual, but I like to think I'm a fairly -good- casual. I know how to put mobs in their place when I tank, I know to get back to "position zero" so I'm not spinning shit around, I know to dodge aoes and keep things (usually) faced away when they should be. Wanna pull out your topaz carbuncle? Cool, I'll still keep hate. And if I'm a healer, unless I'm REALLY new to the dungeon (and even then), I can usually output some pretty good DPSing as well as heals.

So I'm like, yanno, I wanna level a DPS. And I've been doing that and it's been fun. ARC /BRD is hard to keep all the stuff up, but it's fun, it's mobile. So I queue for NM Haukke to get that sweet exp (I'm currently level 29, so no job stone yet) and I get in and it looks like no problems. Other DPS, a drg, healer a sch (and I have played and love sch and know how powerful they are), tank a gld, which doesn't alarm me to begin with because Haukke is that weird between dungeon where you're just about to get your job stone or you just got it.

The tank only ever shield lobs one enemy, and then proceeds to use enmity combo on it.

The tank never flashes. So me and the sch and the drg are picking up all the other adds. The tank finishes killing his add by himself (because me and the drg are keeping the sch alive), before turning to our mobs, choosing one, and shield lobbing it before beginning his combo. Never flashing.

We never wipe because that sch was a goddess, but oh. My god. Me and the drg basically tanked everything ourselves. The tank died once because everything was on the sch, me and the drg were desperately burning the adds down, and the sch was focused on healing us because we were saving them.

Oh, and I checked after.

Level 31 gld. Face, meet desk...

[Veis_Alveare]

This is still going on because apparently "Tank, why didn't you adjust?" is a thing now. As well as the usual "He's a raider so he has to shut up and compensate for everyone's inadequacy (carry)".
Wonder if it would be the same tune, if the tank was a sprout...


Assuming everyone's in a Flash-sized corridor, and the healer's not standing off to one of the sides...


If the healer doesn't understand how aggro works and the effects of Regen on it, mayhap they should return to Qarn and Cutter's Cry to understand the effects of regening a tank mid-pull.
Also let's not forget none of this would have happened if the healer simply respected the tank's wishes instead of just going "oh lol, I'll just keep doing something I shouldn't be doing and have the tank compensate for that".

Feel free to keep denouncing a tank diva, but don't forget they only bared their claws because the healer decided to be one as well.

The point is that the healer didn't do anything that isn't easily compensated for by a single button press and potentially gave themselves an extra damage GCD in the process. The tank should be using Flash on each pack anyways (unless you think he should be facepulling?) so the healer isn't expecting the tank to do anything they wouldn't be doing anyways.

This is like that same stupid argument about tanks asking people to not attack enemies mid pull. No, that's stupid and I won't be playing that way. Grab enmity or play a different role. If I can do it on WAR with the janky Overpower AoE a PLD should have no trouble.

The tank was being dumb and entitled. The healer was healing them. If they just did the thing they had to do anyways (press Flash) they wouldn't have had any issues but instead we get people acting like mid-pull regens are somehow an issues even worthy of debate.

Honestly if anything this has convinced me to Regen during pulls more if only to test how bad it could possibly be. Even if things are hitting me for most of a run to where we stop I doubt it will matter.

The only way this can go bad is if a healer specifically runs away from a tank and at that point the issue isn't the healer applying a Regen it's anyone in a dungeon thinking that the smart thing to do when you take aggro is to run away from the person who needs to grab it off of you. That's a whole different layer of stupid that isn't part of this discussion.

[Hash_Browns]

The point is that the healer didn't do anything that isn't easily compensated for by a single button press

The tank shouldn't have to compensate to begin with, it doesn't matter that it's only a small issue.

[Yllania]

So uh Just got out of copperbell. Im lvling drk and Im relativity new to tanking, but I was doing fine. The AST in the party kept healing me every second and kept using rescue on me when I ask her politely to stop. She said "Its there to use it" when I told her its there for emergencies. She had the good Samaritan title so she wasnt even new.