Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[SturmChurro]

If they HAD to do female viera, then they should have given us male viera instead of male hrogar. If they didnt HAVE to do female viera, then they should have given us female hrotgar and male hrotgar, with a chance (the same as we have now for the missing genders) to see the other race added in the future. Also, by sells, I guess we will see how many hrotgar there will be, but Im quite positive male viera would have been much more popular

Why? From I understand there has never even been a male viera seen ever. Viera is already established (female specifically), like a long time established from what I can tell - so is Hrothgar. What about the Bara community? There are tons of people who want male Hrothgar.

[Gwenorai]

Why? From I understand there has never even been a male viera seen ever. Viera is already established (female specifically), like a long time established from what I can tell - so is Hrothgar. What about the Bara community? There are tons of people who want male Hrothgar.

Females have only been seen but they are not specifically female, we all know that from all the lore. Besides, this argument doesn't work for Hrothgar - we know that female 'Ronso' exist and have been seen in past games. But honestly, if Hrothgar was first then they should have rolled out Hrothgar. The issue is that they added in Fran in the 24man - they shouldn't have done that if they were indecisive on what race to add, best to have one whole race in my opinion and wait for the next.

[reivaxe]

And that's the problem right there: you're assuming that the revenue for mViera/fHrothgar will come solely from the sale of Fantasias. There's PR benefits, subs recovered, new or upgraded subs... all those small things you dismiss over being "not enough" add up. Heck, if they sell 6.0 with the ability to change into either of them I will preorder so fast my card will melt (note: I'd still think that locking the missing genders behind ANOTHER expansion would be sort of a slap in the face but would still do it).

I'll take a Fantasia over an undyable piece of glamour with clipping issues lol

All the things you listed are not givens or actual, tangible direct results of a new race. All of that is covered by adding new Jobs and content every Expansion. That gets people to come back and play the game seeing as if you're not interested in playing the game and dropped it you're prob not gonna come back just to run around with a new race and do nothing you.

Adding a new race is the most expensive cosmetic addition you can bring to games like this which is why, again, this is the last time it's gonna happen according to them ... and it's not even a common occurrence in today's MMOs. Cause it's not a profitable endeavor in and of it self when considering how much time and money goes into it and how much time and work it adds to the development of new content.

Depends on how you look at it. You've got folks who will buy the fantasia - but you will also have folks who will end up purchasing more mog items for glamour for their characters. I don't buy some pieces of glamour from the mog station if they don't fit the character's body properly. Beyond this is folks tend to switch back and forth at a whim - that's more than just the one veteran reward.
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Yes, they give you a free fantasia potion but that's it, just one. You also don't get the free potion if you jump skip, and the casual player is more likely to fantasia and then do it again because they slipped up in regards to voice, eye colour and skin tone.

If you already buy potions on a whim then you're already buying potions, you don't need a new race to convince you to buy one. Same with buying glam. If you buy Glam from the mogstation after you, on a whim, change body types then you are all ready doing everything you seem to credit a new race with causing.

Two years of development of a race? I don't believe it literally takes them two years. It takes them two years with the current workload they have and juggling everything around. And Viera females were created in a much shorter time frame. They most likely do not have a static team that works justs on armour sets all the time. They have to juggle. So let's not exaggerate and put the idea into folks heads that for two whole years everyone is feverishly working on the race with little time for nothing else. This was probably not your intention anywho, but you know how people are.

They have openly said that they started work on the new races shortly after the start of SB and only got them to a presentable state shortly before their reveals. They've even clearly been working on the post reveal given the polish we've seen compared to past renders. So yeah, it takes them a whole expansion to come out.

That's from concept to finished product. These things progress in stages, certain things have to be done first before others can.
They can assign a concept artist to come up with the designs for the race and then once they finish nailing down the art through meetings with the director they move on to something else. Then that art can move on to modeling/ rigging/ textures. Through meeting with the director they come to an agreement on the model ... and there's animation. The animators would need at least a proxy rig of what the race would look like to start animating and once they do it's a process of figuring out how you want them to live and be in this world as well as meeting with the director to get approval (like how Yoshi had to stop the animators working on the Dancer animations because he felt the movements were becoming too gendered/ sexual and at some point they would have to make different animations for the both genders. Animators need guidance and over sight to). Through out this the modelers would have to be going back to fix everything to this body model and people would have to text it so that all the gear works right.

These are all people who could be doing something else at that time and the development of the new race could take that long uninterrupted.

Honestly, if you took out all the juggling and what not, the team could probably push out male Viera and female Hrothgar in a month or two - probably in between. Not including quality control. Not that they should do this, but yeah...

This is such an odd thing to say.

[zeylos]

They may have been given how popular male miqo'te are since they currently fill that "trim, athletic" look. A beast race was something that the game was missing though and there was apparently enough data to back up their decision to develop one. Not to mention that it'll give another option for a larger character other then Roegadyn. Elezen, Midlanders, Au'ra, and Miqo'te are all on the slim side. Lalafells are...lalas and Highlanders are just kinda slightly bigger/broader Midlanders so something else at the larger end seems reasonable from a visual design standpoint.

I actually like that the male hrotgar is here but I think they should have taken a decision and not what we got

[Truen]

Looks kind of dumb.

[Lauront]

Why? From I understand there has never even been a male viera seen ever. Viera is already established (female specifically), like a long time established from what I can tell - so is Hrothgar. What about the Bara community? There are tons of people who want male Hrothgar.

And a good chunk of those already play roes and will go for the improved look. Are you expecting a dramatic divergence from the roe figures? Also bear in mind the proportion of WoW players who play a race of that kind of build and look is c15% at best. Their large build will offset any ‘beast race’ plus points for at least some people, hence why I consider their addition to be quite the risk.

What about female Ronso? They exist too.

SE know which are their most popular male picks - they also know what the problems with the elezen model are (and yet, there’s still more male elezen than rows.) So if male Viera did not prove popular they’d have only themselves to blame. If they had the fluidity and cool animation styles miqo’te have, they’d no doubt be very popular.

Ultimately we’ll have to wait and see how the played race statistics change, maybe into 5.1.

Unfortunately they’re only being given the opportunity to add the races now as far as we can tell, and that is on the shoulders of their senior management, but I remain hopeful they will add the missing genders if ShB gives early indications of doing well. Same hope for the graphics updates. That would leave the game well poised for a strong 6.0.

[DatPotato]

People talking about ff14 revenue as if it was solely used for ff14 alone...

[Nestama]

I actually like that the male hrotgar is here but I think they should have taken a decision and not what we got

If they decided to go with one or the other, then there's a chance they wouldn't even bother working on the other race at all. Especially with the words "last race" floating around. What we got now is the best chance of getting two completed races... probably.

[zeylos]

(like how Yoshi had to stop the animators working on the Dancer animations because he felt the movements were becoming too gendered/ sexual and at some point they would have to make different animations for the both genders. Animators need guidance and over sight to).

There is literally NO reason as to why both male and female couldn't have the same animations even if they are alluring. That is like stating that only 1 gender can be sexy and alluring, and that's is a VERY unnecessary comment

[Lauront]

People talking about ff14 revenue as if it was solely used for ff14 alone...

Such as...? Haven’t seen anyone make that claim.

But there will come a point where if they don’t reinvest in the game, it’ll fail to maintain current sub levels. Its dated looks alone will see to that. Meanwhile if they’re siphoning money off to failed or delayed projects, don’t expect much sympathy.