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  1. #4571
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    Also going to repeat this point: it is irrelevant whether most players care about a race/gender pick. On the margin what matters is whether it will generate enough spending (eg via new or retained subs, mogstation spending etc) to make the cost worthwhile. As long as the race is well designed, it should pass this test.

    This applies to all content they add, and is what I mean by a cost-benefit analysis. With good business intelligence it should be easy to generate this figure. Prejudging male Viera to be less popular than a pick with a build similar to the least popular race gender combo in this game is spurious logic. Even if the plan is to design them after elezen, look at how different female Viera are to their elezen counterparts as it is. I expect male Hrothgar will do better than male Roes but suggesting they’d do better than male Viera is simply poorly reasoned guesswork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    Also going to repeat this point: it is irrelevant whether most players care about a race/gender pick. On the margin what matters is whether it will generate enough spending (eg via new or retained subs, mogstation spending etc) to make the cost worthwhile. As long as the race is well designed, it should pass this test.

    This applies to all content they add, and is what I mean by a cost-benefit analysis. With good business intelligence it should be easy to generate this figure. Prejudging male Viera to be less popular than a pick with a build similar to the least popular race gender combo in this game is spurious logic. Even if the plan is to design them after elezen, look at how different female Viera are to their elezen counterparts as it is. I expect male Hrothgar will do better than male Roes but suggesting they’d do better than male Viera is simply poorly reasoned guesswork.
    I think it's quite obvious male Viera would have been way more popoular than furry does, regardless of how good the furry does look, simply due to the fact that most ppl wants to play a super model. Also female hrotgar, if done right, could be more popular than her male counterapart
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  3. #4573
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    Also going to repeat this point: it is irrelevant whether most players care about a race/gender pick. On the margin what matters is whether it will generate enough spending (eg via new or retained subs, mogstation spending etc) to make the cost worthwhile. As long as the race is well designed, it should pass this test.

    This applies to all content they add, and is what I mean by a cost-benefit analysis. With good business intelligence it should be easy to generate this figure. Prejudging male Viera to be less popular than a pick with a build similar to the least popular race gender combo in this game is spurious logic. Even if the plan is to design them after elezen, look at how different female Viera are to their elezen counterparts as it is. I expect male Hrothgar will do better than male Roes but suggesting they’d do better than male Viera is simply poorly reasoned guesswork.
    Hrothgar will do better than male viera, since male viera don't exist.

    A win by default, the best win!
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    Last edited by van_arn; 05-13-2019 at 04:52 PM.

  4. #4574
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    For now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lauront View Post
    Also going to repeat this point: it is irrelevant whether most players care about a race/gender pick. On the margin what matters is whether it will generate enough spending (eg via new or retained subs, mogstation spending etc) to make the cost worthwhile. As long as the race is well designed, it should pass this test.

    This applies to all content they add, and is what I mean by a cost-benefit analysis. With good business intelligence it should be easy to generate this figure. Prejudging male Viera to be less popular than a pick with a build similar to the least popular race gender combo in this game is spurious logic. Even if the plan is to design them after elezen, look at how different female Viera are to their elezen counterparts as it is. I expect male Hrothgar will do better than male Roes but suggesting they’d do better than male Viera is simply poorly reasoned guesswork.
    I think it's quite obvious male Viera would have been way more popoular than furry does, regardless of how good the furry does look, simply due to the fact that most ppl wants to play a super model. Also female hrotgar, if done right, could be more popular than her male counterapart
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  6. #4576
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    I think it's quite obvious male Viera would have been way more popoular than furry does, regardless of how good the furry does look, simply due to the fact that most ppl wants to play a super model. Also female hrotgar, if done right, could be more popular than her male counterapart
    Oops sorry for double post. Can't remove since I'm on phone
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  7. #4577
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    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    Hrothgar will do better than male viera, since male viera don't exist.

    A win by default, the best win!
    Also, they do exist, we just have seen them.
    Also, trust me when I tell u that we have not seen them YET, but SE was very clear that If they found a way to do so, they had no problem on implementing them xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    Hrothgar will do better than male viera, since male viera don't exist.

    A win by default, the best win!
    I dunno, a win that makes you fight for it is way more satisfying. Thas jus me tho.
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  9. #4579
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    I honestly think they could have gona full hrotgar this expansion, considering it's what adds most to the table, removed fran from he raid and given us Viera at 6.0 (or the other way around) since it makes my heart more sense than to do 2 half baked and unfinished races now and finish them both in 6.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
    I honestly think they could have gona full hrotgar this expansion, considering it's what adds most to the table, removed fran from he raid and given us Viera at 6.0 (or the other way around) since it makes my heart more sense than to do 2 half baked and unfinished races now and finish them both in 6.0
    Even if that makes more sense that isn't what's happening so it doesn't matter.

    There is absolutely no guarantee that they'll add the other genders are all much less in 6.0 and to try to use logic based on that sentiment is the literal definition of a straw man argument. You're creating a false dichotomy where SE was choosing between doing one race with two genders now and another in 6.0 or two races with one gender each during 5.0 and 6.0. Neither of those things has even been hinted at by Yoshida, in fact he's said the opposite.

    Due to resource restrictions when they were making the choices for what to add they chose to satisfy two major requests (Viera and a bestial race) and to do so they had to limit the genders of each.

    I really wish people would stop misrepresenting this. It doesn't add anything to the discussion and makes the push for these things look less legitimate.
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