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  1. #101
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    Kaedan Burkhardt
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    Quote Originally Posted by Avidria View Post
    The only gameplay advantage it gives you is telling you how you're performing so you can actually use real data/numbers to improve yourself... which wouldn't be an "advantage" at all if everyone could just, y'know, use them. Normally. Through the game itself. But apparently that's Bad.
    That's not the case at all. ACT will straight up tell you when attacks are coming so you don't have to watch for telegraphs or casting bars. The program just tells you "Larboard attack incoming" and gives you plenty of time to move to where you need to be. That's, as the other poster said, a straight up advantage.
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  2. #102
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    That's not the case at all. ACT will straight up tell you when attacks are coming so you don't have to watch for telegraphs or casting bars. The program just tells you "Larboard attack incoming" and gives you plenty of time to move to where you need to be. That's, as the other poster said, a straight up advantage.
    This is assuming it was even being used in that way. I've been raiding for awhile and have only ever heard of people using it to look at logs... after the fact. Generally to see where they can boost numbers if they are having a hard time with enrage.

    I find it hard to believe that this use (if possible) is prevalent.
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  3. #103
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    Which raises further concern. You ever heard of a police officer arresting someone, and then refusing to tell them what they stand accused of?
    you have no idea if they refused to tell him. Based on the other poster's interaction, the gm asked him if he knew why he was there. Once again, you are assuming not based on even what the player claimed.

    the player told us;
    3rd party software was ban (testimony of a fact)
    he tells us its a 10 day ban (testimony of a fact)
    he then tells us he guesses its for some old logs, (testimony of speculation)
    he never said he was told that, or that he asked him specifically why (no testimony on these questions)

    there is no logical reason to debate the sentencing when you only have two claims of fact, which you have not corroborated.
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  4. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    This is assuming it was even being used in that way. I've been raiding for awhile and have only ever heard of people using it to look at logs... after the fact. Generally to see where they can boost numbers if they are having a hard time with enrage.

    I find it hard to believe that this use (if possible) is prevalent.
    How can you find it hard to believe when almost every top raid group that gets the top ten First Clears uses that feature?
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  5. #105
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    you have no idea if they refused to tell him. Based on the other poster's interaction, the gm asked him if he knew why he was there. Once again, you are assuming not based on even what the player claimed.

    the player told us;
    3rd party software was ban (testimony of a fact)
    he tells us its a 10 day ban (testimony of a fact)
    he then tells us he guesses its for some old logs, (testimony of speculation)
    he never said he was told that, or that he asked him specifically why (no testimony on these questions)

    there is no logical reason to debate the sentencing when you only have two claims of fact, which you have not corroborated.
    h
    Quote Originally Posted by orderlyanarchist View Post
    reported for 3rd party programs. I used to upload logs on request for folks when teaching savage raids. Guess i got reported for it.
    I have all the information I need. They had to guess at what specifically was done, as all they gave them was a vague line.

    Real world example: You stand accused of committing robbery... somewhere... at some time... at some day.... maybe with or without a weapon.... yeah you don't need to know any details of what you stand accused of JAIL!

    Imagine trying to defend yourself in a court of law with... I think they are talking about this??? Prosecution is being vague.
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    Last edited by WaterShield; 05-13-2019 at 12:44 AM.

  6. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    How can you find it hard to believe when almost every top raid group that gets the top ten First Clears uses that feature?
    Then why are they not all banned if you know this? They would have OBVIOUSLY left proof around. Which would then mean that the company is selectively enforcing its rules when it feels like it... which is indefensible.
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  7. #107
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
    That's not the case at all. ACT will straight up tell you when attacks are coming so you don't have to watch for telegraphs or casting bars. The program just tells you "Larboard attack incoming" and gives you plenty of time to move to where you need to be. That's, as the other poster said, a straight up advantage.
    Huh. Didn't know that. I've never used it, so I don't know exactly how it works. Is it actually detecting the game data before the in game indicator, or is it working off of timers for things that are predictable based on when the pull happened?

    I still don't see why SE can't make their own parser for everyone to use, though. This whole situation is frankly just bizarre to me. They either can't or don't want to find a way to break the parsers so no one can use them, and they also don't want to offer their own in-game parser for everyone to use. Why? Why is it being handled like this? It makes no sense at all.
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    Last edited by Avidria; 05-13-2019 at 12:43 AM.

  8. #108
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    Quote Originally Posted by orderlyanarchist View Post
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...194910_890.png

    Screenshot as requested.

    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...161130_509.png

    And here's me at also in jail just after 4pm.
    Folsom prison blues, very nice!
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  9. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    Then why are they not all banned if you know this? They would have OBVIOUSLY left proof around. Which would then mean that the company is selectively enforcing its rules when it feels like it... which is indefensible.
    They aren't banned because they aren't foolish enough to have the person using it be the one whose screen is being recorded. They have on person using it and calling out the moves over Discord.
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    I do think we are missing out on the full story, I say it is best to take it with a grain of salt as when people mention parses are used for harassment without proof.
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