*Laughs in Nier raid ideas*

[linay]

Yeah I'm really hoping they change up the 24 man formula just a tiiiny bit.

Speaking of changing formula, I'd like it if we no longer use the alliance system as it is. Keep healers as they are, move all tanks to one of the alliance only and redistribute the DPS to replace the tanks that moved and don't have any more separate adds.

[Vanitas]

Speaking of changing formula, I'd like it if we no longer use the alliance system as it is. Keep healers as they are, move all tanks to one of the alliance only and redistribute the DPS to replace the tanks that moved and don't have any more separate adds.

That sounds like pure chaos and would give tanks less of a a reason to queue seeing as the one saving grace is that tank drops are undisputed and literally the only other reason most tanks queue as tanks after getting their weekly token, which then results in even longer dps and healer queues because most will be disinclined to fight for tank look when they can just dps. Let's not forget tank queues are instant for a reason and the last thing you wanna do is give tanks less of a reason to queue as tank.

[linay]

That sounds like pure chaos and would give tanks less of a a reason to queue seeing as the one saving grace is that tank drops are undisputed and literally the only other reason most tanks queue as tanks after getting their weekly token, which then results in even longer dps and healer queues because most will be disinclined to fight for tank look when they can just dps. Let's not forget tank queues are instant for a reason and the last thing you wanna do is give tanks less of a reason to queue as tank.

I'm not convinced having loot competition would drastically change the number of tanks who will queue for alliance raid. And if you need to gear up tank, queueing for healer/DPS is not the way to go regardless of competition because you'll be locked out of that "need" ability.

[Vanitas]

We need only look to the time the devs tried to make looting in 24 mans greed only for all jobs and the backlash it caused to see that even at a lesser degree it'll damage the delicate balance of tank queues. I understand you may not belive it now but when you take an incentive like undispuited looting that has been a luxury tanks have been able to enjoy since the release of heavensward for one of the most clearly unappealing (to the MAJORITY! look at the queues) roles in mmos in general you run the risk of lessening the pool of people with incentive to queue. I'm all for change but that's just a bit much.

Aside from all that, putting role specific jobs into their own "alliance" would just make console healers lives a living hell.

[Kusanagi7]

the byakko fight had orbs that reminded me of nier so i expect lots of orbs.

[Rowde]

the byakko fight had orbs that reminded me of nier so i expect lots of orbs.

Piassa... are reskinned machines. They move like Small Stubby.
https://nierautomata.wiki.fextralife.com/Small+Stubby

[linay]

We need only look to the time the devs tried to make looting in 24 mans greed only for all jobs and the backlash it caused to see that even at a lesser degree it'll damage the delicate balance of tank queues. I understand you may not belive it now but when you take an incentive like undispuited looting that has been a luxury tanks have been able to enjoy since the release of heavensward for one of the most clearly unappealing (to the MAJORITY! look at the queues) roles in mmos in general you run the risk of lessening the pool of people with incentive to queue. I'm all for change but that's just a bit much.

The risk is certainly there, I just don't think it'd be similar to the greed-only issue.

Aside from all that, putting role specific jobs into their own "alliance" would just make console healers lives a living hell.

That's why I also said to not do separate adds.

[Cylestea]

Yes... if we follow the themes of Automata, then Yoshi-P should be the final boss of the raid series.

Yoshi P till 50% then Yoko Taro joins in. on Savage you get, Yoshi P, Yoko taro, Yosuke matsuda, and Kenichi Sato at the same time.

[Lersayil]

Yoshi P till 50% then Yoko Taro joins in. on Savage you get, Yoshi P, Yoko taro, Yosuke matsuda, and Kenichi Sato at the same time.

Whoa, whoa! Slow down there satan!

the byakko fight had orbs that reminded me of nier so i expect lots of orbs.

With pods as a duty action? Yes please. I like red balls in my face.

[grinkdaboy]

the double secret final boss will be caim