A mentor kicked my dog!

[Feidam]

If a PF group expects someone to watch a guide, then the PF sets the rules. If the result of someone watching the guide is the same as not watching a guide, then there's nothing wrong with that particular group finding a replacement that has met the requirements of the group.

From the guide, you know byakko has balls you need to avoid. If you can't glean that information from a video or guide before the first pull, and eat every ball you come across thinking it's some sort of powerup-- kick.

Because someone telling you "don't eat the balls" is no different from a guide or video, and the pf requirements demanded some understanding of the fight.

And that’s ok as the PF sets up it’s limits. I think problem people have is players try to take those rules and apply them to the duty finder random pugs.

[Paladinleeds]

And that’s ok as the PF sets up it’s limits. I think problem people have is players try to take those rules and apply them to the duty finder random pugs.

Exactly, I even explained that I don't join those groups (admittedly after he mentioned that), for that very reason. The PF wants someone who can understand from the guide and that's OK, I can just make my own PF. But it's for like 24-mans etc, where trying to get a PF together for that (that won't require use of a guide), would be a pain in the backside, GL getting the 23 players for that. So you kinda HAVE to DF those... to account for that. And thus you're going to run into this issue. I've mercifully completed the 24 mans already (all synced, and with the exception of RathEx/SeiryuEx, the latter I'm working on atm), I've completed all ex primals synced.

I've dabbled into Savage before (most of the time, making my own static, so I can account for those who get hindered by watching guides, but those who benefit from them are welcome to watch/read them!) - I can complete most of the content in the game, but sometimes a little adjustment (in DF) is required to accommodate for my disability. Thankfully the vast majority of the playerbase will understand if I mention that I need a little extra help due to disability.

[Jimmymagic]

You're probably talking about EX trials. Because those are very easy to clear in a single lockout after watching and understanding a guide. That's where I see "have watched a guide" pfs most of the time on Aether. But when it comes to savage, it's mostly "fresh start" or "X phase prog". When it's a fresh start, you would be expected to at least have read/watched the first part of the guide to practice on. There are those for savage that say "blind run", but those are rare.



I would say a mentor's role should end at some point (above 60 imo). Having to teach people basic mechanics at level 70 that they encounter many times at level 50-60 duties just means something has gone wrong. It's like having a student taking differential equations course but did not take a course about Calculus. It's not gonna be my job to teach him Calculus because he skipped it somehow.

Audacious influence of what is available and what isn't. Mind boggling. Timing and basics are not synonymous . Please stop pretending you had everything figured first try. Level 70 has nothing to do with learning mechanics. So many people join in at 60 with skip potions and don't know how to do a combo in rotations let alone mechanic for a duty. So much assumption from the Masters. I believe my friend is right looking for guidance labels you just as much as "Mentor" being carried gets you "Entitled" asking questions gets you kicked for not looking at a guide. ???

[AxlStream]

Audacious influence of what is available and what isn't. Mind boggling. Timing and basics are not synonymous . Please stop pretending you had everything figured first try. Level 70 has nothing to do with learning mechanics. So many people join in at 60 with skip potions and don't know how to do a combo in rotations let alone mechanic for a duty. So much assumption from the Masters. I believe my friend is right looking for guidance labels you just as much as "Mentor" being carried gets you "Entitled" asking questions gets you kicked for not looking at a guide. ???

So you dont think any level 70 should know what a stack marker looks like?

[Vahlnir]

So many people join in at 60 with skip potions and don't know how to do a combo in rotations let alone mechanic for a duty. So much assumption from the Masters

I was never a fan of jump potions to begin with as I foresaw this very issue. But I also know that it's not limited to them with Deep Dungeon and Fate grinding also being a thing. Players who can't be bothered to learn their job and instance mechanics will never do so no matter how much anyone begs. There are a select few, however, who take their roles seriously and will do whatever it takes. Pretty much all there is to it. Part of the problem is that SE doesn't have a proper tutorial. They should have made the Hall of the Novice mandatory (aka, thrown people straight into it before they could actually start wandering around) and make it properly scaled for higher levels. Making people learn the basics of their job as part of it should also be a thing.

[Alucard135]

Audacious influence of what is available and what isn't. Mind boggling. Timing and basics are not synonymous . Please stop pretending you had everything figured first try. Level 70 has nothing to do with learning mechanics. So many people join in at 60 with skip potions and don't know how to do a combo in rotations let alone mechanic for a duty. So much assumption from the Masters. I believe my friend is right looking for guidance labels you just as much as "Mentor" being carried gets you "Entitled" asking questions gets you kicked for not looking at a guide. ???

You should probably start by learning how to read first. I said basic mechanics. If you're 70 and don't know what an AOE stack marker is, then you shouldn't be joining level 70 parties and be a burden on others. If you used a jump potion and you have no idea about the basic mechanics of the game and expect others to teach them to you at 70, then you need a babysitter, not a mentor.

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

A Mentor is a scapegoat for SE not having advanced role training. It is also someone who occasionally agrees to doing a roulette that includes things that pretty much no one does unsynced for little to no reward. It is someone with enough experience to be exasperated with people who have none. Unless you mean those people with the crown icon. I have no idea what thats about. XD

[Gula]

So you dont think any level 70 should know what a stack marker looks like?

I did Hildi and mechanics from ARR were long forgotten. Got hit with Mini because it's a stack marker not like the usual inward markers. There are instances where players are supposed to run/stack but they're stylized differently from the norm and thus, can and will throw people off.

It should be expected to not stand in the poop, but there are times where it is not 100% clear and if used in older content (Say, Snowcloak) then people- even at 70, can forget unless they run roulette daily and just see it often.

[AxlStream]

I did Hildi and mechanics from ARR were long forgotten. Got hit with Mini because it's a stack marker not like the usual inward markers. There are instances where players are supposed to run/stack but they're stylized differently from the norm and thus, can and will throw people off.

It should be expected to not stand in the poop, but there are times where it is not 100% clear and if used in older content (Say, Snowcloak) then people- even at 70, can forget unless they run roulette daily and just see it often.

Thats a pair marker not a stack marker... you pair up with another arrow. Stack is the 4 inwards arrow...

[Alucard135]

I did Hildi and mechanics from ARR were long forgotten. Got hit with Mini because it's a stack marker not like the usual inward markers. There are instances where players are supposed to run/stack but they're stylized differently from the norm and thus, can and will throw people off.

It should be expected to not stand in the poop, but there are times where it is not 100% clear and if used in older content (Say, Snowcloak) then people- even at 70, can forget unless they run roulette daily and just see it often.

I remember that marker in Hildi. Those are rarely used in other duties unlike the group AOE stack, which is fine and not really a big deal if people forget them, since as you said some of them can deviate from the norm. But not knowing something like a group AOE stack at level 70 is a big indication that something's off somewhere. This is not a level 70 duty specific only mechanic.

When doing a level 70 dungeon, you would expect for example that the tank knows how to tank. If the tank can't even hold aggro, it's not a mentor's job anymore to teach him at that dungeon. What is best done is to tell them to practice on lower level dungeons with mentors there to learn the basics of their class.