A mentor kicked my dog!

[AxlStream]

My guy, nobody reads a whole guide expecting to clear right away. Everybody breaks it into phases. You read/watch phase 1, practice, make it to phase 2 reliably, rinse and repeat.

Either you all don't know how to use guides or you all deluded yourselves thinking people clear right away after watching a 20 minute video.

[Paladinleeds]

My guy, nobody reads a whole guide expecting to clear right away. Everybody breaks it into phases. You read/watch phase 1, practice, make it to phase 2 reliably, rinse and repeat.

Either you all don't know how to use guides or you all deluded yourselves thinking people clear right away after watching a 20 minute video.

Haha, most of the PFs I see on Chaos, they say "Have watched a guide" - aka watched and understood the full thing to be able to practice. They don't say "have watched this phase of a guide". The context is important there. So yes, I will err on the side of caution and assume they mean have watched the full thing. Not to mention, I so rarely see "watch this part of the guide" when it's brought up (I think maybe once in my five and a half years of playing), only "watch a guide". How am I supposed to know which they mean? Referring back to my autism, that comes with problems understanding nuance and context, so I have to assume they mean the full thing, which means information overload for me, and more confused than I was before.

[AxlStream]

Haha, most of the PFs I see on Chaos, they say "Have watched a guide" - aka watched and understood the full thing to be able to practice. They don't say "have watched this phase of a guide". The context is important there. So yes, I will err on the side of caution and assume they mean have watched the full thing. Not to mention, I so rarely see "watch this part of the guide" when it's brought up (I think maybe once in my five and a half years of playing), only "watch a guide". How am I supposed to know which they mean? Referring back to my autism, that comes with problems understanding nuance and context, so I have to assume they mean the full thing, which means information overload for me, and more confused than I was before.

Might be a Chaos thing then? On Aether I usually see parties like "phase 2 prog" or "know up to x mechanic".

[Paladinleeds]

Might be a Chaos thing then? On Aether I usually see parties like "phase 2 prog" or "know up to x mechanic".

That's the case if you're asking for progress up to a specific phase, however for "from the beginning" type parties, they expect you to have watched a guide more often than not. They don't say how much, so I have to be safe and assume they mean having watched and understood all of it (because like I said, autism and difficulties with understanding nuance and context).

[van_arn]

Haha, most of the PFs I see on Chaos, they say "Have watched a guide" - aka watched and understood the full thing to be able to practice. They don't say "have watched this phase of a guide". The context is important there. So yes, I will err on the side of caution and assume they mean have watched the full thing. Not to mention, I so rarely see "watch this part of the guide" when it's brought up (I think maybe once in my five and a half years of playing), only "watch a guide". How am I supposed to know which they mean? Referring back to my autism, that comes with problems understanding nuance and context, so I have to assume they mean the full thing, which means information overload for me, and more confused than I was before.

If a PF group expects someone to watch a guide, then the PF sets the rules. If the result of someone watching the guide is the same as not watching a guide, then there's nothing wrong with that particular group finding a replacement that has met the requirements of the group.

From the guide, you know byakko has balls you need to avoid. If you can't glean that information from a video or guide before the first pull, and eat every ball you come across thinking it's some sort of powerup-- kick.

Because someone telling you "don't eat the balls" is no different from a guide or video, and the pf requirements demanded some understanding of the fight.

[Paladinleeds]

If a PF group expects someone to watch a guide, then the PF sets the rules. If the result of someone watching the guide is the same as not watching a guide, then there's nothing wrong with that particular group finding someone else that has met the requirements of the group.

Exactly, which is why I make my own PF groups (and refuse to join those PFs). But for DF groups, those same rulesets are seemed to be applied, and that's where I have an issue. It seems to be that people are saying this needs to be the case for DF content too because it's the same as the general; PF rules, when disabilties mean this isn't as simple as that.

[van_arn]

Exactly, which is why I make my own PF groups (and refuse to join those PFs). But for DF groups, those same rulesets are seemed to be applied, and that's where I have an issue. It seems to be that people are saying this needs to be the case for DF content too because it's the same as the general; PF rules, when disabilties mean this isn't as simple as that.

I'm not going to insult the playerbase by assuming the clueless players are disabled. We're two years into Stormblood, resources are available, and if additional consideration is required it is not to be expected from randoms.

Be those randoms mentors or no, especially past 70.

[Alucard135]

That's the case if you're asking for progress up to a specific phase, however for "from the beginning" type parties, they expect you to have watched a guide more often than not. They don't say how much, so I have to be safe and assume they mean having watched and understood all of it (because like I said, autism and difficulties with understanding nuance and context).

You're probably talking about EX trials. Because those are very easy to clear in a single lockout after watching and understanding a guide. That's where I see "have watched a guide" pfs most of the time on Aether. But when it comes to savage, it's mostly "fresh start" or "X phase prog". When it's a fresh start, you would be expected to at least have read/watched the first part of the guide to practice on. There are those for savage that say "blind run", but those are rare.

Be those randoms mentors or no, especially past 70.

I would say a mentor's role should end at some point (above 60 imo). Having to teach people basic mechanics at level 70 that they encounter many times at level 50-60 duties just means something has gone wrong. It's like having a student taking differential equations course but did not take a course about Calculus. It's not gonna be my job to teach him Calculus because he skipped it somehow.

[Halivel]

Everybody breaks it into phases

It's actually the main thing I don't like in video guides. You watch 10 seconds of solid info then suddenly hello, completely another scene, or repeating of previous scene because video maker decided that it's needable to explain these particular 1,5 seconds deeper (which is probably has sense, but not always). And that's why I would prefer clear videos (for myself) - they are one-take movies without cutting battle into pieces. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Paladinleeds]

I'm not going to insult the playerbase by assuming the clueless players are disabled. We're two years into content, resources are available, and if additional consideration is required it is not to be expected from randoms.

Be those randoms mentors or no, especially past 70.

So my options would be to hope for a PF (including running the risk of people saying "Oh why you saying you don't need a guide, go watch a guide you [insult of choice]" - and while unlikely, could very well happen, I have been told in "No guide required" PFs that I've set up to watch a guide), pay for a story skip the following expansion, or quit the game? That's where I see an issue.

Heck, in the UK, that could be a potential breach of the Equality Act, for not providing reasonable adjustments. Not sure it applies to games (where random matchmaking occurs), but even if it doesn't, it still reeks of an abelist attitude to not consider reasonable adjustments IMO. Is a quick "Do this for this mechanic you're struggling with" really that unreasonable of an adjustment to make (using the adjustment I'd need as an example)? In all honesty. Now, the argument could be made that if someone is disabled they should speak up (and it's something I'm willing to take on board). But if you DF and get someone who is disabled, you should be ready to consider a reasonable adjustment IMO.

EDIT: For clarification, I'm not saying all adjustments are reasonable. Some really aren't reasonable. But there are some that I would consider reasonable, such a quick explanation of the bite size chunk (or perhaps even a link to the guide and what point I need to specifically read, if you really wish to push a guide onto me). But the "Well, if you're disabled, tough luck" attitude you seemed to display there (which I could be wrong about), is where I have an issue.

You're probably talking about EX trials. Because those are very easy to clear in a single lockout after watching and understanding a guide. That's where I see "have watched a guide" pfs most of the time on Aether. But when it comes to savage, it's mostly "fresh start" or "X phase prog". When it's a fresh start, you would be expected to at least have read/watched the first part of the guide to practice on. There are those for savage that say "blind run", but those are rare.

Perhaps it really is a Chaos thing then. I've seen the same thing quite a few times even for Savage. But even the ex trial guides cause information overload for me.

I would say a mentor's role should end at some point (above 60 imo). Having to teach people basic mechanics at level 70 that they encounter many times at level 50-60 duties just means something has gone wrong. It's like having a student taking differential equations course but did not take a course about Calculus. It's not gonna be my job to teach him Calculus because he skipped it somehow.

True, but if I've seen it before, I retain it and can apply it to future encounters