New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

[Pywalli]

WE. LIKE. THE. GAMEPLAY. THE MMO ELEMENTS.

You literally have to hammer it into someones skull. Christ. Pages upon pages, upon pages, upon pages.

So you don't like the game

[Crushnight]

So how do you propose they help new players?

Free skip potions will be like throwing someone into the deep end who doesn't know how to swim, leveling dungeons are far harsher than any end game dungeons and the potion will still force players to level at least 10 levels going into these.

Streamline msq ok they did that with HW and it had atrocious level jumps at launch(I think there was like 4 lv56 msq quest before the Vault a lv57 dungeon) a bit of padding is good it can help flesh out things for people like me and SE can pace things out more appropriately SB is the best paced .0 for story/level pacing and it still has a few bumps (58-60 range is so fast)

I really can't think what the devs could do here they use so much story yes even from the fetch quests into other parts of the game where they expect you to know about it already that it would probably require a whole redesign of the msq for ARR that i doubt they would do anything about it. The devs are currently in the damned if they do damned if they don't scenario here and it seems the dev's vision is with the damned if they do it crowd so they probably won't bother until it truly starts to affect things later down the line.

[LyraKuroneko]

So how do you propose they help new players?

Free skip potions will be like throwing someone into the deep end who doesn't know how to swim, leveling dungeons are far harsher than any end game dungeons and the potion will still force players to level at least 10 levels going into these.

Streamline msq ok they did that with HW and it had atrocious level jumps at launch(I think there was like 4 lv56 msq quest before the Vault a lv57 dungeon) a bit of padding is good it can help flesh out things for people like me and SE can pace things out more appropriately SB is the best paced .0 for story/level pacing and it still has a few bumps (58-60 range is so fast)

I really can't think what the devs could do here they use so much story yes even from the fetch quests into other parts of the game where they expect you to know about it already that it would probably require a whole redesign of the msq for ARR that i doubt they would do anything about it. The devs are currently in the damned if they do damned if they don't scenario here and it seems the dev's vision is with the damned if they do it crowd so they probably won't bother until it truly starts to affect things later down the line.

Cutting out the unecessary quest could help.

Leveling wasn't too slow when I tried on my alt. So mainly cutting the quest could help. After that know since I don't know how it'll go yet.

[Physic]

So how do you propose they help new players?

Free skip potions will be like throwing someone into the deep end who doesn't know how to swim, leveling dungeons are far harsher than any end game dungeons and the potion will still force players to level at least 10 levels going into these.

Streamline msq ok they did that with HW and it had atrocious level jumps at launch(I think there was like 4 lv56 msq quest before the Vault a lv57 dungeon) a bit of padding is good it can help flesh out things for people like me and SE can pace things out more appropriately SB is the best paced .0 for story/level pacing and it still has a few bumps (58-60 range is so fast)

I really can't think what the devs could do here they use so much story yes even from the fetch quests into other parts of the game where they expect you to know about it already that it would probably require a whole redesign of the msq for ARR that i doubt they would do anything about it. The devs are currently in the damned if they do damned if they don't scenario here and it seems the dev's vision is with the damned if they do it crowd so they probably won't bother until it truly starts to affect things later down the line.

skip is an option, they wont use it if they dont want it. They will still have to level their charachters, they can just take advantage of more content while doing it, on their own schedule. Mostly it will only be people who actively want to avoid/choose when to do story, and have friends, or believe they can jump in who will use these types of things.

[Crushnight]

Cutting out the unecessary quest could help.

Leveling wasn't too slow when I tried on my alt. So mainly cutting the quest could help. After that know since I don't know how it'll go yet.

Thats fine but then we are needing huge exp buffs on the msq quests as well as any cramming of important lore shoved into as few quests as possible, there was a reason i stated HW was atrocious on release for leveling while doing msq and also the reason why ffxiv moogles are probably the most hated moogles in ff franchise since you were forced to deal with their side quests for exp on multiple occasions again this was on release HW they had sinced nerfed the experience so it is no longer as wonky while leveling.

skip is an option, they wont use it if they dont want it. They will still have to level their charachters, they can just take advantage of more content while doing it, on their own schedule. Mostly it will only be people who actively want to avoid/choose when to do story, and have friends, or believe they can jump in who will use these types of things.

And with the skip option the devs are going to be doing everything they can do reasonably with new game+ does it help new players who use them yes but doesn't help new players who go through everything so which type of player does SE cater to. well they decided to cater to the one shelling out more money this time as well as the veteran players who wanted to redo story/story instances (this has been requested for quite some time and although probably different to most people's view on the matter it still allow this).

[LyraKuroneko]

Thats fine but then we are needing huge exp buffs on the msq quests as well as any cramming of important lore shoved into as few quests as possible, there was a reason i stated HW was atrocious on release for leveling while doing msq and also the reason why ffxiv moogles are probably the most hated moogles in ff franchise since you were forced to deal with their side quests for exp on multiple occasions again this was on release HW they had sinced nerfed the experience so it is no longer as wonky while leveling.

Could buff the rest of the quest xp, doesn't sounds like a problem.

The rest might need to be adjust but there is nothing wrong in that.

You won't get through to these people with extremely arrogant takes. Sad to see, and sad to say.

I might be a little rude there and sorry for that but, see yourself in a mirror before saying that

edit :

Yes, I am the arrogant one for wanting to streamline the experience to be more welcoming to larger community.

Nice dodge but you know I'm not talking about that.

[SturmChurro]

Could buff the rest of the quest xp, doesn't sounds like a problem.

The rest might need to be adjust but there is nothing wrong in that.

Buffing exp is again, a bandaid not a fix. You still have to go through all of the slog to get to what you want. The only difference is you way over level, everything you are doing is a joke, and you wish you were at level content. Your quests give you outdated gear, no money. If you have to buff exp to make it (supposedly) less of a slog, then that is a non-fix to the situation, and only highlights how bad it is [EDIT] A total restructure and streamline of the starting leveling experience is what is actually needed.

I might be a little rude there and sorry for that but, see yourself in a mirror before saying that please.



I might be a little rude there and sorry for that but, see yourself in a mirror before saying that

Yes, I am the arrogant one for wanting to streamline the experience to be more welcoming to larger community.

[LyraKuroneko]

Buffing exp is again, a bandaid not a fix. You still have to go through all of the slog to get to what you want. The only difference is you way over level, everything you are doing is a joke, and you wish you were at level content. Your quests give you outdated gear, no money. If you have to buff exp to make it (supposedly) less of a slog, then that is a non-fix to the situation, and only highlights how bad it is [EDIT] A total restructure and streamline of the starting leveling experience is what is actually needed.

There is no reason for the whole story to be rework for you.

Sorry that this game story isn't for you.

I don't see why the initial story without the filler quest isn't ok for you beside that you may just don't like the story at all then. In which case, why do you even care what's in it?

Edit :

The idea of a restructure, rework; streamline is not for me. It is for NEW players. Somehow this whole discussion has continued to degrade, and the whole point continues to fly over people like you's head.

Weird because, you're the one who decide the options proposed by others weren't right. Cutting the filler is way easier and could be implemented faster. But YOU are the one who said no it's a bandaid. While several other people proposed also to cut the fillers.
The one who want a rework is you.

[Wynn_Storm]

So how do you propose they help new players?

Free skip potions will be like throwing someone into the deep end who doesn't know how to swim, leveling dungeons are far harsher than any end game dungeons and the potion will still force players to level at least 10 levels going into these.

The game is not as complex or difficult as people try to make it sound.

New players will do just fine. Not everyone is brand new to mmorpgs. Some players having played others like WoW or another type of mmo.