New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

[Wynn_Storm]

Blah blah blah. Your arguments are baseless. I am going to go play the game I love. I am going to read everything. I am going to watch EVERY SINGLE CUTSCENE. I am going rub sacred oils all over my body while I do it. Deal with it.

Lol what a cop out.

You act as if we don't love the game as well, i wouldn't be playing if i didn't.

But yeah go ahead and watch every cutscene. You are sure showing me.

So basically what I said earlier, salt over things not being free. I understand now. *thumbsup* carry on

Lol your argument is so full of it. You just can't fathom the idea of good practices to bring in new players.

But *shrug* okay, you keep being ignorant. I'm not going to waste my time.

[Paladinleeds]

Lol your argument is so full of it. You just can't fathom the idea of good practices to bring in new players.

But *shrug* okay, you keep being ignorant. I'm not going to waste my time.

While I can definitely agree to chucking in a Stormblood story skip as part of the expansion as a good business practice (perhaps with pointers to Palace of the Dead and Heaven on High and stuff for levelling, since I'm almost certain the ARR/HW story skips include POTD), I just think that Square Enix won't do it, as it won't seemingly help their numbers. Therein lies my main issue. It just doesn't look financially viable to Square Enix, and apparently the only reason we got them in the first place is because the Chinese version had them. The NA/EU/JP versions AFAIK weren't supposed to even get them. As a result, Square Enix don't want to give one away for free. It sucks, but it is what it is I guess. The reason I can agree to this, is because it preserves the story for those interested in it (such as myself), while also allowing newbies who don't care much for the story to also get stuck in, as well as those who want to get to endgame and look at the story later thanks to NG+. I don't know any other solutions that could make a variety of different parties happy

No, I would rather have a happy medium with and improved, streamlined new player experience. NOT a complete skip - so that new players can actually go back, and do the story, that gets so over hyped here (I have played through it, read, and never skipped any cutscenes except for in a duty). Having the starting experience restructured, and a new, informative, tutorial for players.

Now you see, I can agree with a more streamlined experience, so long as there's still the meaning behind each duty. Perhaps trimming the fat on some of the quests (e.g. the 2.1-2.55 shenanigans), for a more streamlined experience, but one that doesn't detract from the story (such as why we're going into each duty). That is a happy medium I can accept.

[SturmChurro]

So you don't like the game

I hate it actually. I also have imaginary friends, and I am insecure.

Now you see, I can agree with a more streamlined experience, so long as there's still the meaning behind each duty. Perhaps trimming the fat on some of the quests (e.g. the 2.1-2.55 shenanigans), for a more streamlined experience, but one that doesn't detract from the story (such as why we're going into each duty). That is a happy medium I can accept.

Yes, a reasonable response. I would rather see a streamlined experience so that new players coming in can come to enjoy the game we have, the way we do now. Think about this in a couple years time with another expansion, or longer maybe two, and they still only have story skip? Do you think it is a sustainable practice to have a player play through 4 expansions just to get to current, relevent content (level, new abilities, new jobs, new glamour, new mounts, play with friends, raids, trials)? Have them pay 60 dollars for the game plus current expansion, 15 for a sub, 25 for a skip, and maybe even a level boost?

For more veteran players a new streamlined new player experience literally wouldn't effect anyone, except those people who like to go back on an alt and slowly "enjoy" each and every story bit (selfish if you ask me). However, I think the streamlined experience should be included with a boost, and someone who chooses to play from the start should be able to. Clarification [EDIT]

[SturmChurro]

If you like the game why you want to skip most of the game ?

WE. LIKE. THE. GAMEPLAY. THE MMO ELEMENTS.

You literally have to hammer it into someones skull. Christ. Pages upon pages, upon pages, upon pages.

[Pywalli]

WE. LIKE. THE. GAMEPLAY. THE MMO ELEMENTS.

You literally have to hammer it into someones skull. Christ. Pages upon pages, upon pages, upon pages.

So you don't like the game

[Crushnight]

So how do you propose they help new players?

Free skip potions will be like throwing someone into the deep end who doesn't know how to swim, leveling dungeons are far harsher than any end game dungeons and the potion will still force players to level at least 10 levels going into these.

Streamline msq ok they did that with HW and it had atrocious level jumps at launch(I think there was like 4 lv56 msq quest before the Vault a lv57 dungeon) a bit of padding is good it can help flesh out things for people like me and SE can pace things out more appropriately SB is the best paced .0 for story/level pacing and it still has a few bumps (58-60 range is so fast)

I really can't think what the devs could do here they use so much story yes even from the fetch quests into other parts of the game where they expect you to know about it already that it would probably require a whole redesign of the msq for ARR that i doubt they would do anything about it. The devs are currently in the damned if they do damned if they don't scenario here and it seems the dev's vision is with the damned if they do it crowd so they probably won't bother until it truly starts to affect things later down the line.

[LyraKuroneko]

So how do you propose they help new players?

Free skip potions will be like throwing someone into the deep end who doesn't know how to swim, leveling dungeons are far harsher than any end game dungeons and the potion will still force players to level at least 10 levels going into these.

Streamline msq ok they did that with HW and it had atrocious level jumps at launch(I think there was like 4 lv56 msq quest before the Vault a lv57 dungeon) a bit of padding is good it can help flesh out things for people like me and SE can pace things out more appropriately SB is the best paced .0 for story/level pacing and it still has a few bumps (58-60 range is so fast)

I really can't think what the devs could do here they use so much story yes even from the fetch quests into other parts of the game where they expect you to know about it already that it would probably require a whole redesign of the msq for ARR that i doubt they would do anything about it. The devs are currently in the damned if they do damned if they don't scenario here and it seems the dev's vision is with the damned if they do it crowd so they probably won't bother until it truly starts to affect things later down the line.

Cutting out the unecessary quest could help.

Leveling wasn't too slow when I tried on my alt. So mainly cutting the quest could help. After that know since I don't know how it'll go yet.

[Physic]

So how do you propose they help new players?

Free skip potions will be like throwing someone into the deep end who doesn't know how to swim, leveling dungeons are far harsher than any end game dungeons and the potion will still force players to level at least 10 levels going into these.

Streamline msq ok they did that with HW and it had atrocious level jumps at launch(I think there was like 4 lv56 msq quest before the Vault a lv57 dungeon) a bit of padding is good it can help flesh out things for people like me and SE can pace things out more appropriately SB is the best paced .0 for story/level pacing and it still has a few bumps (58-60 range is so fast)

I really can't think what the devs could do here they use so much story yes even from the fetch quests into other parts of the game where they expect you to know about it already that it would probably require a whole redesign of the msq for ARR that i doubt they would do anything about it. The devs are currently in the damned if they do damned if they don't scenario here and it seems the dev's vision is with the damned if they do it crowd so they probably won't bother until it truly starts to affect things later down the line.

skip is an option, they wont use it if they dont want it. They will still have to level their charachters, they can just take advantage of more content while doing it, on their own schedule. Mostly it will only be people who actively want to avoid/choose when to do story, and have friends, or believe they can jump in who will use these types of things.

[Crushnight]

Cutting out the unecessary quest could help.

Leveling wasn't too slow when I tried on my alt. So mainly cutting the quest could help. After that know since I don't know how it'll go yet.

Thats fine but then we are needing huge exp buffs on the msq quests as well as any cramming of important lore shoved into as few quests as possible, there was a reason i stated HW was atrocious on release for leveling while doing msq and also the reason why ffxiv moogles are probably the most hated moogles in ff franchise since you were forced to deal with their side quests for exp on multiple occasions again this was on release HW they had sinced nerfed the experience so it is no longer as wonky while leveling.

skip is an option, they wont use it if they dont want it. They will still have to level their charachters, they can just take advantage of more content while doing it, on their own schedule. Mostly it will only be people who actively want to avoid/choose when to do story, and have friends, or believe they can jump in who will use these types of things.

And with the skip option the devs are going to be doing everything they can do reasonably with new game+ does it help new players who use them yes but doesn't help new players who go through everything so which type of player does SE cater to. well they decided to cater to the one shelling out more money this time as well as the veteran players who wanted to redo story/story instances (this has been requested for quite some time and although probably different to most people's view on the matter it still allow this).