New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

[SerLuke]

I don't think people are asking story be taken away from you. More like they get to skip closer to content that's active (which causes talk to go onto how to do that, like if a skip potion should now be included or improved or insert whatever). Being placed on the doorsteps or nearby village of content vs placed two oceans away. I don't see how they're ruining anything for you specifically.

I guess what I’m thinking what people are asking for if something like FFXI’s story which was way more disconnected, like you beat the base game and each expansion kinda did their own thing which didn’t build off the previous expansion’s story, I don’t want that. I love FF14’s story because it’s been one continuous long story.

[SerLuke]

That's pretty poor then: 5 months for only few hours of mostly voiceless cutscenes, seems a bad bargain. What about the additional features like dungeons, the LFR, or beast tribes?

Glad you think one of my main reasons for enjoying FF14 is pretty poor, it’s frankly none of your business.

[Racen]

That's pretty poor in my opinion: 5 months for only few hours of mostly voiceless cutscenes, seems a bad bargain to me, especially when I can see them online for free if I wanted.

What about the additional features like dungeons, the LFR, or beast tribes?

you know the MSQ is what drives all of those things right?

[Voltyblast]

you know the MSQ is what drives all of those things right?

And the content doesn't? Because if the MSQ alone is enough, 1.0 wouldn't be shut down: story alone is enough to keep the game running, right?

Glad you think one of my main reasons for enjoying FF14 is pretty poor, it’s frankly none of your business.

I corrected my sentence because i sounded too harsh, but thanks for jumping the shark. Reminds me why I love this community. /S


You know, you keep defend this stuff, I'm going to play the worst mmorpg of all time, the rightful place for people like me.

Just dont' complain if the game lacks innovation and new players. Have fun.

[Shougun]

I guess what I’m thinking what people are asking for if something like FFXI’s story which was way more disconnected, like you beat the base game and each expansion kinda did their own thing which didn’t build off the previous expansion’s story, I don’t want that. I love FF14’s story because it’s been one continuous long story.

Gotcha then, the plea is for SE not to make the story exclusively a bunch of short stories.

I think that's a fair request. To me I think a mix is good and I don't mind how SE has done story so far (although not a fan of the more fetch-y quests sometimes lol).

Though I do believe there are a number of solutions that wont damage the story for others (and can perhaps promote the story in a way they wouldn't have paid attention to previously if they had no other way but our current methods).

[SerLuke]

And the content doesn't? Because if the MSQ alone is enough, 1.0 wouldn't be shut down: story alone is enough to keep the game running, right?



I corrected though, thanks for jumping the shark. Reminds me why I love this community. /S

You criticize my reason for loving FF14 calling it poor then you try to pin FF14’s community being bad in part on me? Seriously?

Also look at the post you replied to I said “ONE OF” the main reasons I enjoy the game the most was the MSQ of course I enjoy other content but as some else just said all of that is rooted around the MSQ.

[Melorie]

I really like the game history, the lore, I like doing the quests and feeling that I am part of the history. That being said, it's not easy for most new players or mmo players in general. I think there should be a compromise or a middle ground for those that like the lore aspects of the game and those who don't care.

[Mavrias]

No and they shouldn't. I'm not a big fan of AAR myself, I feel it's padded out, poorly paced and kinda weak in terms of dungeon design, but it does at least serve as a tutorial to new players, introducing them to all types of content, core basics of their jobs and various mechanics reused throughout harder and better thought-out content in later expansions. A player who comes into the game and immediately pops a skip potion is doing themselves and everyone around them a disservice. By missing out on that tutorial and getting thrown into content they're completely unprepared for, they inconvenience other players they get matched with.

I believe I run into enough of such players as is. If I have to explain what a stack mechanic is in the final raid of the current expansion despite the fact that the mechanic has existed and been reused in one form of another since at least Syrcus Tower... a part of me feels like skip potions shouldn't be available to brand new accounts in the first place. Those tools by themselves do have a purpose and are entirely justifiable if one is trying to make an alt, but a new player who has no pre-existing experience with the game doing it kinda rubs me the wrong way.

That said, yes early content does have issues. However, no problem is ever solved by pretending it doesn't exist and skipping past it. What could be done is some parts of AAR being streamlined the way that Crystal Tower's introductory questline was in a recent patch, adding shortcuts and alternative paths that allow players the option to skip all the no longer necessary padding without missing out on the necessary learning experience and major plot points.

playing through 100+ hours of terrible story does not a good player make. there are people playing from 2.0 that are just godawful and there are people who skip potioned during 4.4 that are great players. if someone wants to learn they will regardless of whether they skipped or not.

like your example of stack markers; even if you use a skip pot, you have to progress through sirensong to get to endgame. the very first boss features the stack marker.

[LyraKuroneko]

If the story is so terrible, why are those who think that here??

[SerLuke]

If the story is so terrible, why are those who think that here??

I wish I knew, I tried WOW years ago, I didn’t like it so I moved on. I didn’t go on Blizzard’s forums demanding they change the basic structure of their game to fit me...