New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

[SturmChurro]

Then they'll not particularly like FFXIV.

Since end-game content for it is not particularly great. Which is why many people get to max level, spam out raids until fully geared and then unsub until the next bit of MSQ gets released...



The option is there. For a price.

If players really want to play the "MMO" side of things (Whatever that means in this context... I played with plenty of people doing the duties necessary for MSQ...) they can pay to skip all the stuff that makes FFXIV an actually good game and what gives it the edge over its competitors - Many of which do things better than it (ESO does far better open world content, BDO does far better combat, WoW does far better end-game Dungeon/Raid/PvP grinds).

FFXIV has its spot in having THE best story in an MMO. I'd even argue that it beats out Star Wars the Old Republic (Which is another story driven game... I hesitate to call it an MMO because 99.99% of the game and literally the entirety of the game that's worth a damn, is solo content. I.e. Doing your personal stories for each class and then the main story for each expansion. Dungeons and group content was/is trash in that game)

If people feel the need to skip that to get to the end-game grinds... Then they really do need to consider why they're playing this game as opposed to one of the other ones that caters to that gameplay better.

Where exactly are you getting your "facts" that people are only playing this to do the single-player story?

Just because you like one major aspect of this game, doesn't mean other aspects of this game aren't valid preferences for other players. You are stating your opinion as fact here.

[Kalise]

Where exactly are you getting your "facts" that people are only playing this to do the single-player story?

Where exactly did I state it was "Fact" that people are only playing to do single-player story?

All I referenced, was the fact that a fair number of people, unsub after finishing the actual multiplayer content - Since it's quite short lived in this game and people would rather be economical with their sub fees.

Just because you like one major aspect of this game, doesn't mean other aspects of this game aren't valid preferences for other players. You are stating your opinion as fact here.

Yes, other aspects are valid preferences.

Though, I'd argue that many other preferences would be better satiated via other games, which do those aspects better than in FFXIV. Heck, ESO and BDO are FREE to play and offer some better experiences than are attained in FFXIV for certain pieces of content (ESO blows most MMO's out of the water with its open world content. While BDO, despite its flaws has great combat systems and a really fun Trading activity and is basically a better Eureka for combat)

The FACT is, that FFXIV, is heavily based around its solo (Mostly, since you have to do Dungeons and Trials with other people... At least, until Shadowbringers and the Trusts system...) story content. It's what it does best and it is what the game is focused around.

If people don't like that and wish to skip it, they can pay for that privilege, though, they should be warned that the result might not be as satisfying as they wish. Since, yes, while some people will focus on Crafting or Raiding in this game, it's not for everyone to enjoy ONLY that stuff due to how much focus FFXIV has on MSQ rather than these systems (As opposed to other MMO's which will have their focus on these things at the cost of their story. Hence, why I'm saying that WoW a game that is complete trash, actually does Dungeons and Raids better than FFXIV, as it does because its focus is entirely on them at the cost of every other aspect of the game)

[Iscah]

You are stating your opinion as fact here.

You opened the entire discussion by stating as fact that "the new player experience sucks". That's very much an opinion.

I'm not a new player here any more, but I joined after Stormblood was released, took a long time to work through MSQ (doing sidequests and leveling alt jobs along the way) and it's still been ages since I caught up - sometime around 4.2 if I remember correctly. And I enjoyed the experience and the story along the way.