PLDs are not MT, but DRK are. Discuss.

[shao32]

pallys have better defense more cds than the other 2 thanks lol so no all tanks don't take the same amount of dmg lol

PLD have the same defense that the other 2 and his CDs have longer recast, sentinel and bulwark have 180s recast, the longest of the game, hallowed ground is 7 min and shelltron depend of you gauge and only blocks 1 hit vs vengeance and shadow wall both are 120s only and vengeance is 15sec of duration compared to the 10s of sentinel, thrill of battle is 120s/20s too, raw intuion 90s/20s and inner beast is 6s every 50 gauge for no speak of WAR self healing and holmgang being 180s the same recast of a sentinel.
DRK have TBN 7s every 15s as long as you have 2400 mp, shadow wall as i mention before and if magic damage is present dark mind every 60s, so no PLD don't mitigate more that the other 2, both WAR and DRK have better CDs economy and nothing beat WAR mitigation if we go to the who is the one that mitigate more.

[Xenosan]

Also PLD has actions that do not stack. Bulwark/Sheltron/PoA & passive shield blocks render eachother useless

[Kabooa]

Also PLD has actions that do not stack. Bulwark/Sheltron/PoA & passive shield blocks render eachother useless

But you don't use them all at the same time. How is having more coverage useless?

[AnimaAnimus]

I'm sorry but as a healer id rather a pally main tank drks,warriors take about 3x more dmg than paladins

I agree with this. From experience I spend much much more time healing with a war or drk and much more time dpsing with a pld. The mitigations and what not may be the same but plds are indeed much easier to look after. For awhile I used to /groan when a war or drk would take the mt spot over the pld (esp drk) or worse, be our tank in a 4 man. I can normally slap a regen on a pld and go full dps for most fights. Cant really do that with wars or especially drks unless they are exceptionally overgeared from my experience.

[ReiMakoto]

I agree with this. From experience I spend much much more time healing with a war or drk and much more time dpsing with a pld. The mitigations and what not may be the same but plds are indeed much easier to look after. For awhile I used to /groan when a war or drk would take the mt spot over the pld (esp drk) or worse, be our tank in a 4 man. I can normally slap a regen on a pld and go full dps for most fights. Cant really do that with wars or especially drks unless they are exceptionally overgeared from my experience.

Sounds like youve had a lot of bad drk/wars as they are sustainable as hell in dungeons. Drk can just abyssal drain, blackest night, quietus spam crazy health and mana regen. Either that or this is just negative confirmation bias on your part.

[Hierro]

pallys have better defense more CDs than the other 2 thanks lol so no all tanks don't take the same amount of dmg lol

Get a load of this guy!

A good portion, if not most, of the bosses in 8-man content revolve around dealing magic damage. DRK's Dark Mind has mitigation that on par with Sentinel. Supplemented by TBN (and there's very little reason as to why it shouldn't be), tank busters and raid-wide AoEs become trivial. This is not saying PLD can't handle the same, but to illustrate DRK is more than capable for MT.

I could go on as to why fundamentally and mechanically DRKs are deserving of their MT spot, but I think you're valid in your judgment.

In general, most players are bad. They stink! Let's be real, loads people go for DRK for their cloud strife/guts/big sword fantasy without any skill or desire to gain said skill, and it shows. That's probably why you've seen those players play incompetently the most. Most PLD players stink too, but it shows less because they just can't get enough out of staying in shield oath 24/7.

[AnimaAnimus]

Sounds like youve had a lot of bad plds/wars as they are sustainable as hell in dungeons. Drk can just abyssal drain, blackest night, quietus spam crazy health and mana regen. Either that or this is just negative confirmation bias on your part.

That may be since there are a lot of so-so tanks out there just as there are so-so healers and dps, esp if you do leveling or 50/60 roulette. But even in expert I tend to have to cure bomb wars and drks a lot more than plds no matter their ilvl. It goes the same with most jobs tho, drgs, for instance, seem to stand in things more so require more heals than a typical nin or mnk.

But after 5 years of healing, there is definitely a trend in pugs.

[Canadane]

You may also need to consider that cure bombing isn't always needed.
If I'm at half HP that's fine. I'm in no extra danger than if I were at full HP. I have multiple (and honestly stupidly overpowered) way to bring my own HP up. All tanks do, though honestly WAR and DRK shine the most in large packs of mobs this way.

[ReiMakoto]

You may also need to consider that cure bombing isn't always needed.
If I'm at half HP that's fine. I'm in no extra danger than if I were at full HP. I have multiple (and honestly stupidly overpowered) way to bring my own HP up. All tanks do, though honestly WAR and DRK shine the most in large packs of mobs this way.

Yeah this, at level 70 I'd probably say drk/war are better in dungeons on average than PLD by a decent margin, mostly due to higher CD uptime, and their lifedrain skills have low cost and help kill the packs faster, not to mention DRK is constantly shielding itself with blackest night too. PLD has maybe 2 hallowed's it can use in a dungeon, but bulwark and sentinel having such long CD's, and shelltron only blocking 1 of the many incoming attacks, and im not sure by how much the passive blocking stacks up against the active mitigation of the other 2.

[AnimaAnimus]

You may also need to consider that cure bombing isn't always needed.
If I'm at half HP that's fine. I'm in no extra danger than if I were at full HP. I have multiple (and honestly stupidly overpowered) way to bring my own HP up. All tanks do, though honestly WAR and DRK shine the most in large packs of mobs this way.

I don't overcure, but when a tanks hp drops by over half in a matter of seconds, they need the bomb. There are times I get hp to around 90%-ish do 1 stone and its back to 40%, one more and they are dead, or near it. I am sure its a lack of dmg mitigation and other abilities, I don't play tank so I cant say what really. But there are a lot of tanks you need to constantly heal or they will just flat out die.

You, as a tank may not need cure bombs, but there are a lot of ppl out there with no idea what they are doing at lvl 70. We see this across the board with brds who don't use songs, healers who ignore most their kit, nin who don't ninjutsu, ice mages and so on. I even run into 70 smns who don't dot because they don't think it does enough dmg. Had one of those in expert yesterday. "Why are you not using dots?" "It doesn't do enough dmg, ruin is better." /facepalm

So idk why its so hard to believe its the same with tank? I know tank ego is real in ffxiv, but you are not some super special group who can do no wrong, there are just as many bad tanks as there are bad everything else. And it may just be more noticeable on war and drk than pld.