So-called "Mentors" and intentional disconnections.

[Feidam]

People learn differently, but if they aren't willing to at least put in a hint of effort do do anything on their own they aren't worth the resources, time, or consideration to teach.

Harsh, but that's the way it is in 50/60/70 endgame content.

Wearing a burger king crown doesn't magically waive that requirement for anyone, in fact it makes it more important to teach people to teach themselves.

Dude, queueing up in a duty finder is attempting to learn. They need to practice the content. No one is saying they should be carried though, but Mentor’s are there to offer advice if asked. Sorry you don’t like that then don’t be a mentor.

[van_arn]

Dude, queueing up in a duty finder is attempting to learn. They need to practice the content. No one is saying they should be carried though, it Mentor’s are there to offer advice if asked. Sorry you don’t like that don’t be a mentor.

Yeah, that's why I impart the valuable advice to only do endgame (50/60) content through party finder before I withdraw and the party potentially collapses.

That's the advice, that's the lesson. Duty complete.

[Feidam]

Yeah, that's why I impart the valuable advice to only do endgame (50/60) content through party finder before I withdraw and the party potentially collapses.

That's the advice, that's the lesson. Duty complete.

Or if you want a clear party you go to party finder so you can specifically get people that have cleared. That’s the advice, that’s the lesson. Duty Complete. Oh look that goes both ways. Come man stop with the elitist crap. Both ways are options and valid.

[van_arn]

Or if you want a clear party you go to party finder so you can specifically get people that have cleared. That’s the advice, that’s the lesson. Duty Complete. Oh look that goes both ways. Come man stop with the elitist crap. Both ways are options and valid.

Not really, no. And it's not elitist in the slightest-- not looking for a clear, and in fact I'm more than happy to wipe a bit with some people wanting to progress through the MSQ. Guildhests should be deleted, and the mount is ugly.

I'm wasted on people doing endgame content that's years out of date, though.

[Feidam]

Not really, no. And it's not elitist in the slightest-- not looking for a clear, and in fact I'm more than happy to wipe a bit with some people wanting to progress through the MSQ.

I'm wasted on people doing endgame content that's years out of date, though.

So players that come to the game later shouldn’t even attempt to learn the older content? Or players that lives might just now be allowing them the time to invest in that content? I mean with old content in party finder people only really join when it is unsync’d to get the rewards. So how are they supposed to learn? Duty is pretty much the only option unless there are FC and linkshells willing to do it. But those are not always available where the duty is even with queue times.

[van_arn]

So players that come to the game later shouldn’t even attempt to learn the older content? Or players that lives might just now be allowing them the time to invest in that content? I mean with old content in party finder people only really join when it is unsync’d to get the rewards. So how are they supposed to learn?

They're welcome to do endgame content through party finder. Just like people wanting to do synced coil runs.

I'm better spent helping someone through Abania or Emanation or Shinryu or Fluminis. Especially this close to Shadowbringers, where people actually do need to get caught up on MSQ.

Every minute I spend over 30 minutes in an ex for someone that is scared of pf is a minute I could've been running something that'll actually get someone caught up.

[Feidam]

They're welcome to do endgame content through party finder. Just like people wanting to do synced coil runs.

I'm better spent helping someone through Abania or Emanation or Shinryu or Fluminis. Especially this close to Shadowbringers, where people actually do need to get caught up on MSQ.

Every minute I spend over 30 minutes in an ex for someone that is scared of pf is a minute I could've been running something that'll actually get someone caught up.

While that is true it is also possible that getting people to learn older content helps prepare them for the new content as well. Also, why are we suddenly labeling them scared to use party finder. Party finder doesn’t always net you party. It is another tool to use to get content done. Not the only.

[WaterShield]

Dude, queueing up in a duty finder is attempting to learn. They need to practice the content. No one is saying they should be carried though, but Mentor’s are there to offer advice if asked. Sorry you don’t like that then don’t be a mentor.

In Japan people learn through party finder and only queue up in duty finder to run things they already know how to clear. Based on this, would you not say that NA is using it incorrectly?

[Colt47]

In Japan people learn through party finder and only queue up in duty finder to run things they already know how to clear. Based on this, would you not say that NA is using it incorrectly?

Actually, everyone is doing it wrong than since people are supposed to get together in a guild to tackle hard content, but that really isn't the truth for all people, is it?

I find it pretty easy to poke and prod at the subject given how in-game system availability often shapes the way a community works long term. People will always take the path that requires the least amount of setup work when it comes to getting content done, even if it is a flawed idea to begin with. Duty-Finder is simply a system that acts as an unbiased event organizer, and party finder is the public game room of FFXIV much like how some Discord channels are big group organizing tools.

The issue with the mentors channel is not the fault of the mentors channel implementation. It's the fault of the FC system becoming a fragmented mess built upon the housing market and the community moving away from the Linkshell System due to not really understanding or wanting to take the time to set it up. In addition, a lot of people just want to log in and play content without having to mess around with guild management due to real life.