Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[spf1200]

That's also my theory, and if it's like that, then I sure don't mind waiting for male viera if it also means SE is finally giving xiv some of the money they make back ^^

Do you guys not remember him being suprised by the backlash or do you think he was just pretending. It ok to want something but many of you are doing some crazy mental gymnastics to try to come up with reasons for it not happening.

BTW we already know why we got gender locked races, and it simpler than many people seem to think. They have the resources to add one male and one female. They think this is going to be the last races so they wanted to give the two races people have been asking for. They genderlocked so that we could get two races rather than just the one. This is some conspiracy by Yoshi to get more man power, this isn't SE being sexiest it is SE doing what they can to try to appease 2 groups that want very different things

[zeylos]

Do you guys not remember him being suprised by the backlash or do you think he was just pretending. It ok to want something but many of you are doing some crazy mental gymnastics to try to come up with reasons for it not happening.

BTW we already know why we got gender locked races, and it simpler than many people seem to think. They have the resources to add one male and one female. They think this is going to be the last races so they wanted to give the two races people have been asking for. They genderlocked so that we could get two races rather than just the one. This is some conspiracy by Yoshi to get more man power, this isn't SE being sexiest it is SE doing what they can to try to appease 2 groups that want very different things

Alright that's your opinion and we all respect, in fact I do get your point, but if they were surprised by the backlash it's even better since it means that they will seriously consider adding them. Also I think that they should have just settled for the race they though was better (they say it was hrotgar) and make it with both genders, since it would have not caused nearly as much backlash and bad press, and bad press is one of the worst things your game can have, which this game has a lot of after genderlocked races, so it only makes more sense to add both genderes down the line and get tremendously good press

[LaylaTsarra]

Alright that's your opinion and we all respect, in fact I do get your point, but if they were surprised by the backlash it's even better since it means that they will seriously consider adding them. Also I think that they should have just settled for the race they though was better (they say it was hrotgar) and make it with both genders, since it would have not caused nearly as much backlash and bad press, and bad press is one of the worst things your game can have, which this game has a lot of after genderlocked races, so it only makes more sense to add both genderes down the line and get tremendously good press

No they made the best choice... the two gender/races that would be the most popular and used the most in my opinion. It wasn't an easy decision for them but they decided to go with their best intent and they may add the others we'll have to wait and see.

[Roda]

No they made the best choice... the two gender/races that would be the most popular and used the most in my opinion. It wasn't an easy decision for them but they decided to go with their best intent and they may add the others we'll have to wait and see.

If we go by xivcensus's data on the two races' most similar representations today, male viera would be played by more than female and male hrothgar combined.

If they wanted to add more racial diversity then this isn't just about volume of players using the thing, but an artistic decision.
And "reinforcing old gender aesthetic stereotypes and restricting player expression is uncreative, boring, and regressive" is a valid criticism to apply to this artistic decision.

[LaylaTsarra]

If we go by xivcensus's data on the two races' most similar representations today, male viera would be played by more than female and male hrothgar combined.

Sorry but I trust their decision making and I'm sure you'll see more Hrothgar than you an shake a stick at come xpac. We'll just have to wait and see now won't we. After all is said and done we've got what we got and you'll just have to keep hoping they add the others. I'm personally very happy with their choice and I also hope we get to see the other genders as well one day.

I also trust that if they make them they'll come up with some interesting models which the majority of the player base will like as well.

[LZero]

Sorry but I trust their decision making and I'm sure you'll see more Hrothgar than you an shake a stick at come xpac.

Of course there will be a lot of Hrothgar when the expansion comes out, they will be new. The real test will be how many there are after a few months. I do think they'll be more popular then Roes, but I will continue to show support for not gender locking.

[zeylos]

Sorry but I trust their decision making and I'm sure you'll see more Hrothgar than you an shake a stick at come xpac. We'll just have to wait and see now won't we. After all is said and done we've got what we got and you'll just have to keep hoping they add the others. I'm personally very happy with their choice and I also hope we get to see the other genders as well one day.

I also trust that if they make them they'll come up with some interesting models which the majority of the player base will like as well.

I dont really agree with you personally in the first point, but I do on the second.
Also most hrotgar will probs fantasia back in 1-2 weeks unless they are furries or reeeally enjor bestial race, which is certainly less than the amount of players that enjoy beautifull male race (take a look at roes and miqote) but we'll see I guess ^^
I myself wouldn't ever change to hrotgar but I would change to male viera in a heartbeat, if we get a free fantasia I'll most likely go for miqote male or au ra male

[Lauront]

Sorry but I trust their decision making and I'm sure you'll see more Hrothgar than you an shake a stick at come xpac. We'll just have to wait and see now won't we. After all is said and done we've got what we got and you'll just have to keep hoping they add the others. I'm personally very happy with their choice and I also hope we get to see the other genders as well one day.

I also trust that if they make them they'll come up with some interesting models which the majority of the player base will like as well.

Let's check back 6 months into 5.0, and see how that pans out. I really would love to see how many of all these supposed WoW refugees are going to end up playing Hrothgar, or whether the likelier scenario is they cannibalise Roe numbers a bit.

[LaylaTsarra]

Let's check back 6 months into 5.0, and see how that pans out. I really would love to see how many of all these supposed WoW refugees are going to end up playing Hrothgar, or whether the likelier scenario is they cannibalise Roe numbers a bit.

Yes we can check back in 6 months and a year from xpac release and I'm sure the numbers will be available and then we can make judgements about SE's decision making process. And I might add I'm sure it's not just wow refugees. I'm totally interested in making a male Hrothgar and I've never really played a male character before. Will I stick with it well that depends, I think their reveal trailer was awesome. Now if there were females available too I would have to see how they looked and what their animations were like and then decide.

[Veis_Alveare]

If we go by xivcensus's data on the two races' most similar representations today, male viera would be played by more than female and male hrothgar combined.

If they wanted to add more racial diversity then this isn't just about volume of players using the thing, but an artistic decision.
And "reinforcing old gender aesthetic stereotypes and restricting player expression is uncreative, boring, and regressive" is a valid criticism to apply to this artistic decision.

You're strawmanning here. It's clear the presupposition that the post you're quoting was based on was that SE knew they were adding Viera and Hrothgar based on the overwhelming demand for a bestial race and Viera.

From that point your graph and that logic literally supports the addition of female Viera and male Hrothgar since (of each race) those are the more popular genders.

As far as "regressive" ideas about gender aesthetic stereotypes we could go in circles all day and never agree but (again) your graph shows that more people play female Miqo and male Roe sooooo... if the statistics show that the playerbase seems to follow a certain set of ideas about gendered stereotypes it seems like a poor business decision for SE to break from that in a situation like this one where they don't have unlimited financial resources to create everything they might want to.

I didn't say they were stupid or that they made this decision lightly, I'm just saying I feel its the wrong choice.
A full hrotgar race would have sold a bit of fantasias.
A full viera race would have sold tons upon tons of fantasias
What we got now will sell decent amount for viera but not much for hrotgar
Also press is one of the most important things for a game, and genderlock gives u extremely bad press which means lots of money lost (look at games news reporters and u'll see what I mean)
Male viera will probs make at least 10x times more money than hrotgar
If they made hrotgar males look like ronso they would have also sold a lot more so im not sure why they went the reskinned roegadyn way but not my decision

This is all conjecture and your opinion. I'm certain SE knows what will sell better than a random player, if there's anything they truly care about in this game it's making money.