Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Mavrias]

the latest law is going to be the one you hold people to. They say that compelling a playstyle is bad now. Thats the new rule.

And its not a case of lets go our seperate ways, its a case of you lose your progress and i keep my progress. If they cloned the instance on kick, it would be as you say, no big deal. But this is two players being able to control the dungeon, and punish players, just because they fired off vote kick first.

those two "laws" are not mutually exclusive.

being kicked is not a punishment. stop taking it so personally. your progress is not lost, you can queue again with zero time penalty unlike if you chose to leave the instance.

the one time i got kicked as when i first started healing at level cap. i accidentally let the tank die, he said he was gonna kick me, and then he did. you know what i did in response? i just requeued.

[Feidam]

those two "laws" are not mutually exclusive.

being kicked is not a punishment. stop taking it so personally. your progress is not lost, you can queue again with zero time penalty unlike if you chose to leave the instance.

the one time i got kicked as when i first started healing at level cap. i accidentally let the tank die, he said he was gonna kick me, and then he did. you know what i did in response? i just requeued.

If it was one death and not repeated deaths in excess then that tank was just being a jerk. And that kick shouldn’t have happened. Yes you just queued and continued because at that point it is all that is left to you.

I would definitely blacklist that tank.

[Mavrias]

If it was one death and not repeated deaths in excess then that tank was just being a jerk. And that kick shouldn’t have happened. Yes you just queued and continued because at that point it is all that is left to you.

I would definitely blacklist that tank.

aye, just the one death. he decided he didnt want to play with me and apparently the dps agreed so i was swiftly booted. that party just wasnt the one for me. no harm, no foul.

apparently the other option i had left to me was to report him and consider quitting healing.

[Feidam]

aye, just the one death. he decided he didnt want to play with me and apparently the dps agreed so i was swiftly booted. that party just wasnt the one for me. no harm, no foul.

apparently the other option i had left to me was to report him and consider quitting healing.

Most likely another member of the group was a friend or you got hit with people just clicking yes. Because that is BS. You probably could have reported him had you wanted to. And while you roll your eyes, if that behavior happens enough it could dissuade someone from healing. I mean some the attitudes you see around do discourage people from even trying.

[Physic]

aye, just the one death. he decided he didnt want to play with me and apparently the dps agreed so i was swiftly booted. that party just wasnt the one for me. no harm, no foul.

apparently the other option i had left to me was to report him and consider quitting healing.

so, question, if you or someone else was kicked 25% of the time you use duty finder, would you still use it?

at what % of the time would you start to be like, duty finder isnt worth queuing for?

Personally, On dps just the standard 15-30 minute wait deters me. If I expected kicks, id probably never queue solo.

Also, id probably leave any group that does what i consider a bad kick, i personally don't want to be a part of that type of group, i wouldnt expect others to do that though.

[Mavrias]

so, question, if you or someone else was kicked 25% of the time you use duty finder, would you still use it?

at what % of the time would you start to be like, duty finder isnt worth queuing for?

Personally, On dps just the standard 15-30 minute wait deters me. If I expected kicks, id probably never queue solo.

Also, id probably leave any group that does what i consider a bad kick, i personally don't want to be a part of that type of group, i wouldnt expect others to do that though.

if im getting kicked frequently theres more likely to be something wrong with me than something wrong with the rest of the playerbase. id probably try to examine what i'm doing wrong before i quit entirely. if it isnt something i'm doing then id start just goin with friends.

i do that anyway, but i understand not everyone has a lot of people they consistently do things with, but its probably something everyone should strive for in an mmo.

i accept that in a group of pugs not everyone clicks, personality wise or playstyle wise, and thats fine, but that doesnt mean they have to stick together if theyre really incompatible.

[Physic]

those two "laws" are not mutually exclusive.

being kicked is not a punishment. stop taking it so personally. your progress is not lost, you can queue again with zero time penalty unlike if you chose to leave the instance.

the one time i got kicked as when i first started healing at level cap. i accidentally let the tank die, he said he was gonna kick me, and then he did. you know what i did in response? i just requeued.

your progress is literally lost.

you lost your queue time, and you wasted however long you were in the dungeon. The loss of progress is not debateable. you can claim that losing 10-25 minutes is no big deal, but if thats the case, there isnt much reason to kick some one to save 5 minutes. And also, why not just ask them vote kick you.

Its objectively taking some ones time, and it doesnt require the majority of people to agree. Its biased towards the iniatitor. 2 People have a disagreement, and one gets to vote and the other doesnt.


Just because you dont care if you got kicked doesnt mean its not a loss of progress.

[Mavrias]

your progress is literally lost.

you lost your queue time, and you wasted however long you were in the dungeon. The loss of progress is not debateable. you can claim that losing 10-25 minutes is no big deal, but if thats the case, there isnt much reason to kick some one to save 5 minutes. And also, why not just ask them vote kick you.

Its objectively taking some ones time, and it doesnt require the majority of people to agree. Its biased towards the iniatitor. 2 People have a disagreement, and one gets to vote and the other doesnt.


Just because you dont care if you got kicked doesnt mean its not a loss of progress.

no offense, but i dont really consider having to kill a bunch of trash mobs and maybe an easy boss again "resetting my progress." neither is losing 10-25 minutes in a game in which i have hundreds of hours played. and if youre at levelcap you have at least ten (assuming a level/ story skip pot was used.)

[Feidam]

no offense, but i dont really consider having to kill a bunch of trash mobs and maybe an easy boss again "resetting my progress." neither is losing 10-25 minutes in a game in which i have hundreds of hours played. and if youre at levelcap you have at least ten (assuming a level/ story skip pot was used.)

It’s great you have so much time played and the time to do it. I have a ton of time in The game too. But, what about the individual that only gets 1.5 or 2 hours to play when they sit down. I mean vote kicking for absurd reasons is a major time loss for them.

[van_arn]

It’s great you have so much time played and the time to do it. I have a ton of time in The game too. But, what about the individual that only gets 1.5 or 2 hours to play when they sit down. I mean vote kicking for absurd reasons is a major time loss for them.

Doesn't matter if you have 1 hour or 10, you get along with your party or the party gives you the boot -- especially post-70.

If it happens often, perhaps crafting would be a better use of that precious hour.