Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Feidam]

those two "laws" are not mutually exclusive.

being kicked is not a punishment. stop taking it so personally. your progress is not lost, you can queue again with zero time penalty unlike if you chose to leave the instance.

the one time i got kicked as when i first started healing at level cap. i accidentally let the tank die, he said he was gonna kick me, and then he did. you know what i did in response? i just requeued.

If it was one death and not repeated deaths in excess then that tank was just being a jerk. And that kick shouldn’t have happened. Yes you just queued and continued because at that point it is all that is left to you.

I would definitely blacklist that tank.

[Nyvara]

To be fair, they will probably preform better then the average Duty Finder player.

If they are anything like mercenaries in EQ2 they will barely be able to help you complete quests let alone a max level dungeon.

[Physic]

those two "laws" are not mutually exclusive.

being kicked is not a punishment. stop taking it so personally. your progress is not lost, you can queue again with zero time penalty unlike if you chose to leave the instance.

the one time i got kicked as when i first started healing at level cap. i accidentally let the tank die, he said he was gonna kick me, and then he did. you know what i did in response? i just requeued.

your progress is literally lost.

you lost your queue time, and you wasted however long you were in the dungeon. The loss of progress is not debateable. you can claim that losing 10-25 minutes is no big deal, but if thats the case, there isnt much reason to kick some one to save 5 minutes. And also, why not just ask them vote kick you.

Its objectively taking some ones time, and it doesnt require the majority of people to agree. Its biased towards the iniatitor. 2 People have a disagreement, and one gets to vote and the other doesnt.


Just because you dont care if you got kicked doesnt mean its not a loss of progress.

[Mavrias]

If it was one death and not repeated deaths in excess then that tank was just being a jerk. And that kick shouldn’t have happened. Yes you just queued and continued because at that point it is all that is left to you.

I would definitely blacklist that tank.

aye, just the one death. he decided he didnt want to play with me and apparently the dps agreed so i was swiftly booted. that party just wasnt the one for me. no harm, no foul.

apparently the other option i had left to me was to report him and consider quitting healing.

[Physic]

If they are anything like mercenaries in EQ2 they will barely be able to help you complete quests let alone a max level dungeon.

they will probably be better than the average player mostly due to superior stats, based on squadrons. They wont be better than optomized groups, but those are rare in a random duty finder.

squadron aurum vale is way easier than duty finder aurum vale usually.

[Feidam]

aye, just the one death. he decided he didnt want to play with me and apparently the dps agreed so i was swiftly booted. that party just wasnt the one for me. no harm, no foul.

apparently the other option i had left to me was to report him and consider quitting healing.

Most likely another member of the group was a friend or you got hit with people just clicking yes. Because that is BS. You probably could have reported him had you wanted to. And while you roll your eyes, if that behavior happens enough it could dissuade someone from healing. I mean some the attitudes you see around do discourage people from even trying.

[Physic]

aye, just the one death. he decided he didnt want to play with me and apparently the dps agreed so i was swiftly booted. that party just wasnt the one for me. no harm, no foul.

apparently the other option i had left to me was to report him and consider quitting healing.

so, question, if you or someone else was kicked 25% of the time you use duty finder, would you still use it?

at what % of the time would you start to be like, duty finder isnt worth queuing for?

Personally, On dps just the standard 15-30 minute wait deters me. If I expected kicks, id probably never queue solo.

Also, id probably leave any group that does what i consider a bad kick, i personally don't want to be a part of that type of group, i wouldnt expect others to do that though.

[Mavrias]

your progress is literally lost.

you lost your queue time, and you wasted however long you were in the dungeon. The loss of progress is not debateable. you can claim that losing 10-25 minutes is no big deal, but if thats the case, there isnt much reason to kick some one to save 5 minutes. And also, why not just ask them vote kick you.

Its objectively taking some ones time, and it doesnt require the majority of people to agree. Its biased towards the iniatitor. 2 People have a disagreement, and one gets to vote and the other doesnt.


Just because you dont care if you got kicked doesnt mean its not a loss of progress.

no offense, but i dont really consider having to kill a bunch of trash mobs and maybe an easy boss again "resetting my progress." neither is losing 10-25 minutes in a game in which i have hundreds of hours played. and if youre at levelcap you have at least ten (assuming a level/ story skip pot was used.)

[Feidam]

no offense, but i dont really consider having to kill a bunch of trash mobs and maybe an easy boss again "resetting my progress." neither is losing 10-25 minutes in a game in which i have hundreds of hours played. and if youre at levelcap you have at least ten (assuming a level/ story skip pot was used.)

It’s great you have so much time played and the time to do it. I have a ton of time in The game too. But, what about the individual that only gets 1.5 or 2 hours to play when they sit down. I mean vote kicking for absurd reasons is a major time loss for them.

[van_arn]

It’s great you have so much time played and the time to do it. I have a ton of time in The game too. But, what about the individual that only gets 1.5 or 2 hours to play when they sit down. I mean vote kicking for absurd reasons is a major time loss for them.

Doesn't matter if you have 1 hour or 10, you get along with your party or the party gives you the boot -- especially post-70.

If it happens often, perhaps crafting would be a better use of that precious hour.