Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[van_arn]

thats not actually a majority.

2/4 players deciding how to play the dungeon is not a majority.

its only a majority if you exclude the person being kicked, which actually doesnt make sense, if the goal is democracy. Its a crappy tool for deciding playstyle since it doesnt solve a situation where half the people are in agreement.

It also means kicking first is the best strategy to make sure you dont get kicked, and get to keep the instance, if you have a deadlock.

party is at 50%? initiate a vote kick before they do, and then you will be 3/4 and the last guy becomes a minority vote.

It's not an absolute majority, but it's a majority of the people that matter: the rest of the party that needs to work with the person in question. The person in question's "defense" is their actions before the vote went up. If you'd like an absolute majority, you can use vote abandon-- but that assigns blame to no one.

And encouraging people to get the first votekick is a blessed thing; it prevents parties where you spend 70% of the run arguing about the very nonsense you see in this thread. Try a first kick sometime, especially at the first scent of an argument. Either it goes through and the person in question is kicked or you get a kick in response because they brought friends. In either case, it's a win: argument is fixed, everyone goes their separate ways, and everyone's free to move on to whatever they'd like to do next without penalty. Especially don't withdraw without trying out a kick, assuming a kick could fix the problem in question.

Sorry no, losing progress in a dungeon because you made a party mad is not a loss of progress. You don't have a duty finder penalty, use the queue time to think about why the party was mad. Maybe even ask yourself what you can do to prevent it in the future, rather than spill indignation and vitriol.

keep promoting kicking in dungeons, and enjoy when it becomes 1 hour queues.

Let's cross that bridge if we ever come to it, hmm? This system has withstood the test of time, and encouraging people to use a safety system in place is infinitely more desirable than to mothball it out of self-righteousness.

Especially when sticking to those principles of self-righteousness can impede your enjoyment of the game.

See also: a full half of the posts in "tales from the duty finder." That thread wouldn't be nearly as long if people stopped with the "suffer through it because maybe they can't read" excuses and just offered a charitable kick.