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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaRosa View Post
    Yes that can happen the list that can affect one player concentration is vast and unfortunately are things that aren't under our control so whats the big news here? None.
    Its for you to have notion you are playing with flawed humans and not with perfect robots.
    I don’t think the way to do that is to automatically assume that an individual is burdened with a mental or physical illness. Most people that I know who have mental or physical illnesses would much rather people treat them like normal people—not give them special benefit of the doubts because of ailments they may not be able to control.
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    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    And they're welcome to do so, at their discretion. But no one is under any obligation to do the same, and that is not an opinion.
    But I don't know why is this even on the debate side because I never wrote that other players are under any obligation what I actually wrote is that would be helpful if persons have the ability to put on the other players shoes and do not jump fast into assumptions of "does not want to play the game My WaAaYyYy" and might be other situation irl, on how one decide to do the content is their personal decision.
    Personally don't mind if other players have different rotations for the same roles or for one reason or other miss one or other aoe doesn't make me go hysterical or cry like a baby in foruns setting a huge fuss

    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I don’t think the way to do that is to automatically assume that an individual is burdened with a mental or physical illness. Most people that I know who have mental or physical illnesses would much rather people treat them like normal people—not give them special benefit of the doubts because of ailments they may not be able to control.
    Personally won't assume either that an individual is just playing the game in a sense it doesn't want to play the game like it was described many times here always keep in mind those possibilities and do not treat them differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    I think what Awha is pointing out is, a normal human's base response to someone doing poorly is "They can do better." You're advocating, essentially, to have shut lips because if they're not doing well they could be brain-damaged. Even if that's not what you said, that is what it comes off as to the observer.
    It can be any situation we have no way to know and it can be also that at that moment they can't do better and even if others get that upset with "their do better" instead of complaining in forums perhaps giving the best example in game would be of much better help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaRosa View Post
    It can be any situation we have no way to know and it can be also that at that moment they can't do better and even if others get that upset with "their do better" instead of complaining in forums perhaps giving the best example in game would be of much better help.
    The exact thing could be said about the players being told they can do better but instead complain about it on the forums, cause believe me we do have people playing victim when it's made clear they could do better. How about improving themselves in the game and thus setting an example to others? That would be of much better help to everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorPatty View Post
    The exact thing could be said about the players being told they can do better but instead complain about it on the forums, cause believe me we do have people playing victim when it's made clear they could do better. How about improving themselves in the game and thus setting an example to others? That would be of much better help to everyone else.
    And you can of course advise as everyone probably once in a while did receive directions on how to play their role rotation better but for example in similar situations for the same role happened personally to receive two contradictory directions from two different players.

    What would be good to solve this kind of unnecessary dramas if SE sets an official standard to play every role that way there is no disagreements regarding such and players do not have to hesitate in what direction should choose for a punctual situation in game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaRosa View Post
    It can be any situation we have no way to know and it can be also that at that moment they can't do better and even if others get that upset with "their do better" instead of complaining in forums perhaps giving the best example in game would be of much better help.
    Again, your argument sounds like "Assume anyone doing poorly is disabled in some way." That's terrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    Again, your argument sounds like "Assume anyone doing poorly is disabled in some way." That's terrible.
    Wow distorting what I wrote wont help you either again this is getting old I did wrote that the irl reasons that affect one person concentration can be included in a vast list did mention some examples, unfortunately the list extents since we have no way to know to presume it is the "not playing My WaAaYyYy" excuse is as terrible.

    Myself have days who am with a percentage of disability also due to external factors and do not take it that heartily to talk about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I’m sorry. I really don’t mean to be that person. I’m trying to follow your line of thinking, but are you typing like this on purpose?
    The more I read.. the more I'm thinking english isn't their first language. .. I hope.
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    I'm not distorting what you wrote. I'm telling you what it looks like to the observer. Do with it what you will, I don't pay your sub.

    Your argument boils down to: "Don't criticize somebody who is not performing well: put yourself in their shoes. What if they're disabled?" They very well could be disabled, but I'm not going to assume that of them just because they're not performing well. If they tell me they're disabled, I'll believe it, and even accommodate them (I'm usually silent in DF anyway) but it's not something I'll infer based on performance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dualgunner View Post
    I'm not distorting what you wrote. I'm telling you what it looks like to the observer. Do with it what you will, I don't pay your sub.

    Your argument boils down to: "Don't criticize somebody who is not performing well: put yourself in their shoes. What if they're disabled?" They very well could be disabled, but I'm not going to assume that of them just because they're not performing well. If they tell me they're disabled, I'll believe it, and even accommodate them (I'm usually silent in DF anyway) but it's not something I'll infer based on performance.
    You hitting again the same key over and over again and sorry if is a bit repetitive but to clarify for the 3rd time I did wrote the list of motives that can affect one person concentration is vast and gave some examples not just disabled ones.
    Yes I did wrote that won't do one unnecessary drama in SE forums just because a casual player has a different rotation for the same role or missed punctually one or other aoe and did wrote if you please can reread the best way to help a player do what you consider better is to give yourself the example in game and not by drama posts.

    Also wrote that players in their majority learn better in a chilled environment inside game and not via hysterical dramatic posts made up to feed someone else ego because they aren't playing their perfect rotation standard.

    If you please can open your eyes to read what was written would help am not saying "do not teach the recently joined players or do not offer advise if you find necessary" am stating that you can and should do it yes by setting yourself as example inside game and offer directions for one role but be sure you are in agreement to the rotations and directions given by the previous players.

    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I’m sorry. I really don’t mean to be that person. I’m trying to follow your line of thinking, but are you typing like this on purpose?
    Sory sometimes miss use the correction system
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    I keep repeating myself because you keep repeating yourself. Think on that.

    Also I would assume the majority of players don't come to the forum, so they don't see these "hysterical dramatic posts made up to feed someone else ego" in the first place.
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