Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Physic]

think of it this way; if the tank doesnt like the party's playstyle, and the party doesnt like the tank's playstyle, wouldn't it be better to go your seperate ways sooner rather than suffer through the dungeon together not having fun?

no, not really. because one group forces a punishment upon the other.

it would be different if kicking a player cloned the instance, and put both groups at the top of the queue for replacements, but that is not the case.

considering on average we are talking a difference of a few minutes more for slow pulls, its basically pretty selfish.

basically the group of 3 is gambling to get their acceptable playstyle tank, but they make the tank pay the price if they lose the gamble. They knew theyd get a replacement easily.


if they spoke to the guy, and he said he would rather leave, that would be a different story.

[Mavrias]

no, not really. because one group forces a punishment upon the other.

it would be different if kicking a player cloned the instance, and put both groups at the top of the queue for replacements, but that is not the case.

considering on average we are talking a difference of a few minutes more for slow pulls, its basically pretty selfish.

basically the group of 3 is gambling to get their acceptable playstyle tank, but they make the tank pay the price if they lose the gamble. They knew theyd get a replacement easily.


if they spoke to the guy, and he said he would rather leave, that would be a different story.

i dont really think having to immediately requeue (especially since in this case the person requeueing likely wont have to wait even two minutes) is much of a punishment. if they got a 30 minute penalty then i may see the punishment angle. as it stands there is no price paid.

i play an mmo to have fun, not to put up with others when i dont have to. if one of us feels so strongly about something, then one of us needs to leave; if not them, then me. (e.g. if i feel a few minutes longer with slow pulls is unacceptablely unfun and theres no visible reasoning or compromise i'll try to kick. kick doesnt go through? i'll leave instead then)

[Physic]

i dont really think having to immediately requeue (especially since in this case the person requeueing likely wont have to wait even two minutes) is much of a punishment. if they got a 30 minute penalty then i may see the punishment angle. as it stands there is no price paid.

i play an mmo to have fun, not to put up with others when i dont have to. if one of us feels so strongly about something, then one of us needs to leave; if not them, then me. (e.g. if i feel a few minutes longer with slow pulls is unacceptablely unfun and theres no visible reasoning or compromise i'll try to kick. kick doesnt go through? i'll leave instead then)

if you dont want to put up with others, its up to you to create that situation in an MMO. You can, through party finder group with like minded individuals with specific specifications. The fact that you didnt use the tool made for that means its unfair of you to penalize players for not meeting those specifications.

if they only have 30 minutes to play, and they queued for a specific dungeon, they could have wasted a queue time of 10 minutes, and like 6 minutes of dungeon progress. Its a group activity aimed at normal completion with average players. I think people should set their expectations accordingly.

[Mavrias]

if you dont want to put up with others, its up to you to create that situation in an MMO. You can, through party finder group with like minded individuals with specific specifications. The fact that you didnt use the tool made for that means its unfair of you to penalize players for not meeting those specifications.

if they only have 30 minutes to play, and they queued for a specific dungeon, they could have wasted a queue time of 10 minutes, and like 6 minutes of dungeon progress. Its a group activity aimed at normal completion with average players. I think people should set their expectations accordingly.

why should i go to party finder if i dont have above average expecations? not to mention why would i use party finder for a regular dungeon, period? at level caps, and i do mean all 3 level caps, big pulls are the norm, not small pulls. obviously that is not necessarily the case in leveling dungeons.

if someone only has 30 minutes to play, why is that my concern? why does it matter to me if they queued specifically for this dungeon for whatever reason? what do i care what they did to get in the dungeon?

again im not advocating that everyone plays one specific way or dont play at all. simply that if you and your party are in disagreement for whatever reason, and the minority is unwilling to compromise or hear the majority out, they should not be surprised of they are removed from the duty.