I just got kicked from a dungeon because of the sounds my Lala makes when she attacks

[Fredco191]

I want to hear these attack sounds for myself. What voice are you using?

I feel like OP missed this.

[TheLittlestLala]

There's nothing improper about this kick. A majority of those in the party didn't want them there, so they were removed. This is preferable to people being forced to run with people they don't like, whether or not this comes as an inconvenience to the person that got removed.

Don't believe the OP, either. We're plainly not getting the whole story, and the fact an image exists tells me there's a good chance the OP themselves was engaging in outright harassing behavior after the kick.

They messaged me first because we are on the same server and I was talking about it at the FFXV fate because I could barely believe it even happened.

[TheLittlestLala]

There's nothing improper about this kick. A majority of those in the party didn't want them there, so they were removed. This is preferable to people being forced to run with people they don't like, whether or not this comes as an inconvenience to the person that got removed.

Don't believe the OP, either. We're plainly not getting the whole story, and the fact an image exists tells me there's a good chance the OP themselves was engaging in outright harassing behavior after the kick.

Here if you don't believe me here's another screenshot.


So basically as I've said, I /surprised the healer at the very start of the dungeon when she was dcing cause there was nothing else to do and then I did I quick /surprise when she came back to which he said was a good way to get blocked, and I didn't bother responding to him. This image is the entirety of that conversation because after some time of nothing being said I was just kicked.

[HyoMinPark]

Yet again, I'm not sure where you are getting this from. If you are ok with people kicking you for explaining mechanics, that's fine its your sub lol.

Honestly, I got it from the mild third-degree I’ve received from you—as if my answer would magically change if you asked me the same question enough times:

People like the one OP described aren't worth your time, because you haven't experienced a kick for the reason they were. If catgirls started getting kicked from parties because they were annoying, how would you react then?

I actually already said what I would do in this situation in the same post I first responded to you in—laugh and shrug it off. Because whoever kicked me is a loser I wouldn’t want to play with anyways. I don’t think I’d bother reporting it because it’s not worth my time. I have reported behaviors in the past I thought were more demanding of a report, but someone getting triggered because he doesn’t like catgirls? Well, that sounds like a personal problem.

If I'm understanding correctly, you have not been kicked from a party due to your selected race or voice. With that in mind, how can you accurately say how you will respond for being kicked over that. If you spent 20-30 minutes in a 24-person raid, and were kicked at the last boss because your catgirl's voice is too annoying, would you just laugh it off?

Yep. Because I don’t get upset over the little things that have little to no effect on me in the grand scheme of things.

You can continue to rephrase your question however you like—my answer will stay the same.

It seems like you can’t fathom that I wouldn’t let myself be bothered by it when you ask me the same question multiple times.

And from remarks like this one:

And if we all just ignore improper kicks you'll get to experience this more. But since it gives you a laugh I'm guessing you'd like that.

If you aren’t bothered, why the attitude in this sentence?

But I'll send the question back to you. It seems to bother you that I don't like people being kicked from parties for "silly things".

I’m not bothered by you being bothered by this. You’re free to feel how you want. I am, however, bothered by you insisting that remarks like:

“Don’t let it bother you.”
“Don’t let it get under your skin.”
“Let it go and move on.”
“They aren’t worth your time”

Are the same as people defending someone doing something wrong, though.

It doesn’t take much to tell that these statements are not at all similar. If you cannot understand the difference between a statement basically meant to comfort/give peace of mind and a statement where someone is saying what the kicker did was okay, then again: I really don’t know what to say to you.

It’s also quite annoying that you actively choose to ignore where people have said things like “report the player if you feel like it warrants reporting” or “hey, what they did was crappy, but don’t let it get you down” in your responses just for your rhetoric; and how you keep drawing conclusions like this one:

I'm more concerned with players being removed from parties because of the voice option they picked. I'm also concerned with people defending said action.

When no one in the thread is saying what that person did was okay or defending the kicker. I think everyone is in agreement that they were stupid for kicking someone for their character’s battle sounds.


As an aside—

If you are ok with people kicking you for explaining mechanics, that's fine its your sub lol.

I also would like to know where I said I was okay with myself being kicked. I said I laughed and counted my blessings because the party was a mess—I never excused the action, though. Because I wasn’t in the wrong for telling someone how to do a mechanic properly that they were failing and dying to—and not in a mean way, either.

I just didn’t let it bother me past the five minutes after the kick—I vented to my friends and then went about my day, because those players weren’t worth the wallowing; which is some of the advice people are trying to give the OP (e.g., “Don’t let it bother you.”). Not letting something bother you is not the same as “being okay” with it, but you seem to constantly equate the two in your counters.


This is my last post because I think I’m close to hitting my posting limit for the day and this thread has gone on long enough with this tangent. If you would like to continue the conversation, my Discord is in my signature.
Which, for some reason isn’t showing up. This forum... oh well. It’s in my other posts that you have seen.

[DumdogsWorld]

This thread is slowly degrading into a toxic mess and people with good intentions like myself are powerless to calm it down.

OP, if you ever need somebody to queue with, let me know.

I got nothing against lalafells. I never call out other players. I begin every dungeon with a "hello". I end every dungeon with a "ty". Upon wiping, I try again.
I don't have a lot of optional duties unlocked (like raids), but I can do anything in the main story.

And no, I'm not trying to advertise or use the forums in place of the party finder. Outside of guaranteeing that one of your party members won't vote to kick you, I am 100% powerless to help you.

[MoofiaBossVal]

I think part of the problem is people coming from other MMO's as someone else pointed out, especially world of warcraft. I just came back from 10 months of wow and the community is more toxic than it has ever been. The problem is Battle for Azeroth turned out to be one massive turd. Its so bad people are jumping ship and FFXIV is, in my opinion, the next best MMO to go over to. So all those toxic people are now over here. Just give it some time. The wow players don't have the patience needed to sit through a storyline like FFXIV, especially with much of the game locked behind main story quests. They will soon get bored and take off from here as well. In the meantime, if those people did indeed mention kicking you for the way your lala sounds I would totally suggest reporting them. That is an obvious abuse of the kick system.

Well we will see much more kicks like this coming up a lot more do to the wow community seams to be jumping over to this game and the community there is very bad . I'm running in to much ruder players laity then ever and most of them are all new players that act very rudely in dungeons .

I don't see a correlation between what happened to the OP and the WoW community. Over the course of six years, I can count the number of times I saw a temper tantrum thrown in WoW's chat on my two hands (usually as a result of people being frustrated, having spent their weekend off trying to enjoy a raid only to wipe a dozen times on a boss), and I have never - not once - seen a player kicked from a group for something as petty as their character's voice, SFX, transmog/glamour, whatever. In fact, I've never even heard of a player being kicked like this any MMORPG until now.

I personally don't know any "WoW refugees". My friends and guildmates who dropped WoW didn't find a replacement game; they just stopped playing MMORPGs altogether. I suppose to them, FFXIV has a barrier of entry with the long MSQs to what they would consider "current endgame" and the anime/JRPG aesthetic that they deride.

They probably had a preformed party with one or two others to get the kick off, preformed parties tend to make people pretty bold in how they treat others.

I find this to be the most likely answer. They were probably a pre-made group that didn't like the OP for not going as fast as the group/whatever reason and just touted her voice lines as an excuse to shut the OP up and get back to their dungeon. When you're in a clique, you don't care so much about other people. Why care about that player you kicked who you will never see again anyway? What could've happened to the OP could've happened in any game with a LFD.

[Kanitezz]

Man. Never heard that one before.

[hynaku]

Pretty sure kicking someone for sounds there character is making is not one of kick options. If you kick someone and it is not one of the options don't get mad if GM contacts you and get banned for false kick. I ever get kicked and its not from one of the legal kick options I will always use report. Hope you did same thing. Its easy to find out who was in party from contacts.

[UnstablePersonality]

I find this funny, not that it happened but that they felt the need to kick over it, like many people have said, if a voice of a character in a game annoys you that much, turn off the voices, that is a feature people can use, I even use it. Huge feels bad moment when people rather disrupt a player's run/experience so to speak instead of using a feature in the game. I don't even have anything against lalafells either haha. I'll never play one, but that's more cause I'm very set in stone with what I've got atm.

[Noitems]

I’m not bothered by you being bothered by this. You’re free to feel how you want. I am, however, bothered by you insisting that remarks like:

“Don’t let it bother you.”
“Don’t let it get under your skin.”
“Let it go and move on.”
“They aren’t worth your time”

Are the same as people defending someone doing something wrong, though.

My take on that is something I've said earlier. Doing nothing and letting it pass without action (while saying one of these phrases) when you clearly know something is wrong is just a classy way of allowing this behavior to run through unchecked. I know you've personally stated in this thread that you don't let these things get to you, but you've also stated in this thread that you also vented to your friends about people doing things like this before. You say they're not worth your time, but they're also worth enough to vent over as well? The moment you go into that Duty Finder thread and post a blurb about them you're making time for them whether you want to admit it or not.

My final post here is going to be super simple and it's a reverb of the morality of the thread as a whole. If you see something that you clearly think is an issue/happens to you, (harassment, vote kicking abuse, slander, etc) just report it, blacklist, and move on. The entire report process takes under 2 min and it's better for the community. If your opinion on the issue compels you enough to make a thread in the forums about it or post in the duty finder story thread , it's worth a GM's attention if they're breaking the ToS. No one is mandating you report every single thing in the universe that happens while you play (as people said it would be just filing reports all day long), but if it's something clear and obvious abuse like the OP's situation it should be reported.