Alliance Raid Roulette Dynamic AIL Enforcement? Yes, please!

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

sorry, maybe this isn't the ToS but...

http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...6&id=5382&la=1

■Nuisance behaviour
"Nuisance behaviour" means speech or behaviour that hurts others or obstructs game play, but which is not classified as harassment. Even if it was not the intention, a penalty may be imposed if the end result was that another person was hurt or obstructed.

Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of nuisance behaviour:

◆Obstruction of play
"Obstruction of play" means all behaviour in general that obstructs another person's game play. Below is a non-exhaustive list of examples of obstruction of play:

・Other obstruction of play
This means all other behaviour that deliberately obstructs another person's game play by some means.

there are a couple of other points where this type of behavior can also be covered.

[Aramina]

sorry, maybe this isn't the ToS but...

http://support.na.square-enix.com/fa...6&id=5382&la=1

I am surprised you didn't injure yourself stretching this far. Neither of those, in any way, even remotely says what you think they say.

[Colino]

square doesnt have enough resources for something like that, but fret not they do have enough resources to lock more hairstyles and emotes behind MGP

I mean, considering that takes no resources at all I'm not sure what your point is. Furthermore, MGP is a joke to earn. I know people sat on millions of MGP who barely put any effort into earning them.

Had you said "Mogstation" instead I would have sort of understood.

sorry, maybe this isn't the ToS but...

The problem is they're not directly obstructing anyone but themselves really (lower rewards potentially). No matter which way you slice it it's not a ToS violation as annoying as it is.

[Eldevern]

To the OP, as an player since the Bêta, if you want to do the last raid, to get your drop, most of time you need to specificaly tag for the raid you want. Don't expect to go in the raid you want with the roulette. That's not designed for. On the opposite, it is made to help new players and allow players to run old contents. Have you never been obliged to run ten or more WoD to get your weekly drop? I did.

I mean, considering that takes no resources at all I'm not sure what your point is. Furthermore, MGP is a joke to earn. I know people sat on millions of MGP who barely put any effort into earning them.

Talk for lucky people XD... I have an alt who almost NEVER get de 10000MGP with daily tickets when other people sometimes get several times three tickets with 10 000. And the Revue is not really fair to new players (you need often need last gears from higher contents). Same with Chocobo, you need food or to be lucky with the bonus your chocobo gets.

Easy? RNG can be a total nightmare.

[Colino]

Talk for lucky people XD... I have an alt who almost NEVER get de 10000MGP with daily tickets when other people sometimes get several times three tickets with 10 000. And the Revue is not really fair to new players (you need often need last gears from higher contents). Same with Chocobo, you need food or to be lucky with the bonus your chocobo gets.

Easy? RNG can be a total nightmare.

What? It's nothing to do with luck. You can get an easy 80k from the fashion report once a week, the challenge log throws MGP at you like crazy, G.A.T.E.s are now every 20 minutes so you can pretty much do them ad nauseum. Chocobo races have matchmaking and even then you don't have to get 1st place to make a lot of MGP. You can cheese Verminion tournaments for another truck-load of MGP regularly.

Of course if you're just relying on the daily cactpot it's gonna take forever.

With regards to the bit I bolded, sorry I have no idea what you're saying.

[Eldevern]

What? It's nothing to do with luck. You can get an easy 80k from the fashion report once a week, the challenge log throws MGP at you like crazy, G.A.T.E.s are now every 20 minutes so you can pretty much do them ad nauseum. Chocobo races have matchmaking and even then you don't have to get 1st place to make a lot of MGP. You can cheese Verminion tournaments for another truck-load of MGP regularly.

Of course if you're just relying on the daily cactpot it's gonna take forever.

With regards to the bit I bolded, sorry I have no idea what you're saying.

The fashion report? You almost always need gear from 60+ contents. You probably imagine all players do these contents or have many gils to spend. Even with my main I most of time don't have the items.

PS : The Revue, I meant the Fashion report.

PS(2) : I don't talk about the OP as a liar but wonder about the fact it could be an abuse. People are not necessary ready for the last three raids or are afraid of wipes. People who remember Ozma maybe don't especially want to run this kind of content.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

To the OP, as an player since the Bêta, if you want to do the last raid, to get your drop, most of time you need to specificaly tag for the raid you want. Don't expect to go in the raid you want with the roulette. That's not designed for. On the opposite, it is made to help new players and allow players to run old contents. Have you never been obliged to run ten or more WoD to get your weekly drop? I did.
Easy? RNG can be a total nightmare.

oh yeah. i totally get where you are coming from, and have personally been playing since beta phase 3. but keep in mind, newer alliance raids drop a token. normally it is pretty common for at least one of those 3 alliance raids to appear in the roulette, and that is on a daily basis. if you can manage to get all 3 throughout the week doing something you would normally do anyhow... well, that is just less to do at the end of the week. or just one more thing one would have redundantly done earlier in the week. as far as grinding for a specific piece of gear, obviously you wouldn't use roulette for that. and if you wait too late you might have to settle for something else not as interesting.

either way, i still feel there is plenty reason to try and prevent people from manipulating roulette results. and also, on the point of roulette benefiting new players to clear content for their first time. yeah, this is true. it is the primary reason for roulette. and the rewards are to keep players coming and therefore keeping even the oldest content relatively relevant. with that said, those who manipulate the roulette are also taking away from those who are queuing for something higher level trying to get a clear.

[Eldevern]

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Honestly, I don't get why people would unlock the high tiers raids if it is to try to avoid it. My idea of this is it is player who run a secondary job (or alt) and doesn't want or/and CAN'T run the current high tiers with his secondary (lack of experience, bad stuff or so, maybe they need, only 1ilvl to reach the current high tiers).

You think you know what they are doing but it is only what you feel they do. You are not with them, in the same room.

[BLaCKnBLu3B3RRY]

Honestly, I don't get why people would unlock the high tiers raids if it is to try to avoid it. My idea of this is it is player who run a secondary job (or alt) and doesn't want or/and CAN'T run the current high tiers with his secondary (lack of experience, bad stuff or so, maybe they need, only 1ilvl to reach the current high tiers).

You think you know what they are doing but it is only what you feel they do. You are not with them, in the same room.

true and true. but there are indeed those out there manipulating the roulette for the sole purpose of just getting a mindlessly easy run. i know this because of seeing a player strip down right in front of my character during the Ready call. it is what prompted me to come make this thread.

sadly, i don't know what could possibly fix this or prevent it. it doesn't seem like there is anyway of actually preventing this. everything i can think of seems to be rather redundant.

i suppose the whole dynamic thing COULD still work, but am unsure how much server resource that would cost. it would basically need to be dynamic based on their currently equipped job. plus keep a record of their highest AIL achieved with that job. at least this way, regardless of what level or job they have, the game can dynamically enforce an AIL requirement for the roulette. naturally, if you are trying to level something then you haven't achieved a high enough AIL for certain content. while their queue into the pool wouldn't change the current situation that is making it less likely for people to get content more relevant to them due to manipulators, they also wouldn't be manipulating the roulette. such player activity would be normal. players purposely manipulating the results isn't a normal way to use the roulette.

i am sure there is a flaw in the idea somewhere... and maybe it isn't entirely worth the effort/time to implement. but i think if the developers could find even the smallest inkling of time, even here & there, then something to that effect would certainly put an end to manipulation of roulette results.

[Hustensaft]

true and true. but there are indeed those out there manipulating the roulette for the sole purpose of just getting a mindlessly easy run. i know this because of seeing a player strip down right in front of my character during the Ready call. it is what prompted me to come make this thread.

Because you know which people queue with you?

Further, the dungeon is chosen before the queue pops. You can, after all, get a "time-elapsed" queue to pop for you - changing your itemlvl will at that point not alter what raid you join.