Incoming Astra/Scholar Nerfs

[Seraphor]

WoW redesigned fights and increased HP pools to actually make room for HoT healing. FFXIVs encounter design is dancey-dancey with lots of damage back to back, where HoTs are inherently useless, followed by a large stretch of nothing where your HoT apply spell already covers half the healing required. Absorbs on the other hand work perfectly with FFXIVs dancey design.

In addition to that, FFXIV HoTs run on a global tick rate (i.e. all HoTs on a single-target happen at the same time), versus WoWs HoTs that all tick indepent (i.e. HoTs provide a much smoother HP curve on much larger HP pools)..
FFXIV healer design is fundamentally flawed. Encounters are shit for HoTs, and Absorbs are generally bad healing spells.

So... Absorbs are better than HoTs in FFXIV.

[Hustensaft]

So... Absorbs are better than HoTs in FFXIV.

That was not the point. Absorbs inherently better than any other healing options, unless of course they can't keep up with healing. FFXIV combined direct healing with absorbs into a single button - that's technically removing the only "downside" of absorb.. You get to heal damage that get's through the absorb, while also applying a new one.

There is a reason why some mechanics are better than others, yet many people seem to believe "potency" is the only reason that exists. HoTs are mechanical garbage in FFXIV due to encounter design and HP pools, no potency change can ever fix that.

Fact is, SCH has the lowest healing potency of the three healing specs. SCH has to be able to "comfortably" heal dungeons. You can't nerf the lowest potency healer to balance healers. There's a reason we had SCH potency buffs in 4.05 to 4.3.

[CorbinDallas]

I'd love it if you could cite your sources on these incoming nerfs. The only confirmed nerf we've had at all is the ease of playing white mage, which came from Yoshi P himself from a fanfest interview.

Quit with the spamming. We get it, you're buttmad that WHM has been left behind by buffs to the other two healers, you don't need to make a new thread every couple of hours spouting your ridiculous and frankly unbalanced ideas.

[Lambdafish]

They aren't getting nerfed, all 3 healers are being rebalanced and changed. Nerfs are adjustments to existing toolkits, the 3 healers are getting new toolkits and by the sounds of it are being retooled to move away from the heals/shields design philosophy. If SCH/AST are worse in shadowbringers, its because their new toolkits don't play as fluidly as their existing ones (or the devs did a poor job balancing the new toolkit), not because they have been adjusted to be worse.

[CelestaRosa]

They aren't getting nerfed, all 3 healers are being rebalanced and changed. Nerfs are adjustments to existing toolkits, the 3 healers are getting new toolkits and by the sounds of it are being retooled to move away from the heals/shields design philosophy. If SCH/AST are worse in shadowbringers, its because their new toolkits don't play as fluidly as their existing ones (or the devs did a poor job balancing the new toolkit), not because they have been adjusted to be worse.

Has Devs ever did a good job balancing healers. they had alot of time to do. the trail by error stage. long and over. don't let people beta test these changes. they don't listen to the community. or care what we think . they release these expansions. then tell us to deal with it. and wonder why am kinda pissed off. people are starting to lose their patience. cause they keep failing at healer balience and wont release new healer job cause healer balience is broken.

then you have asta and scholar mains that don't understand why their jobs need be changed/nerfed for future of this game. cause in their eyes. nothing wrong with their job

[Lambdafish]

Has Devs ever did a good job balancing healers. they had alot of time to do. the trail by error stage. long and over. don't let people beta test these changes. they don't listen to the community. or care what we think . they release these expansions. then tell us to deal with it. and wonder why am kinda pissed off. people are starting to lose their patience. cause they keep failing at healer balience and wont release new healer job cause healer balience is broken

I'm only saying what the devs have outright stated. This isn't my opinion.

"We really think we need to restructure the way healers are handled. We can’t keep this strict division between pure healer and barrier healer. Something needs to change here so we can maintain good balance. Thats the main reason we didn’t have a healer. First priority was to add a 3rd ranged, then a 4th tank while we balance the healers better."

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...8GTvPw4uI/edit (Q3)

Therefore, the heal/shield dynamic will be changing, meaning there won't be any buffs or nerfs, as the entire healing dynamic will likely be new.

[CelestaRosa]

I'm only saying what the devs have outright stated. This isn't my opinion.

"We really think we need to restructure the way healers are handled. We can’t keep this strict division between pure healer and barrier healer. Something needs to change here so we can maintain good balance. Thats the main reason we didn’t have a healer. First priority was to add a 3rd ranged, then a 4th tank while we balance the healers better."

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...8GTvPw4uI/edit (Q3)

Therefore, the heal/shield dynamic will be changing, meaning there won't be any buffs or nerfs, as the entire healing dynamic will likely be new.

so completely rework from ground 1-80.

[CorbinDallas]

Implying I don't realise my main is strong, you're so hostile. All I'm saying is that you should tone down your attitude towards anyone who might not agree with your, for lack of a more polite word, bullshit balance opinions.

Your threads are annoying, repetitive, and you're so convinced that you're right you're talking down to everyone like you know better, when all evidence points to the contrary.

Nobody thinks white mage is fine, we all agree, but you're going the wrong way about getting the message out there, not only that, but you're seemingly unaware of the actual issues currently crippling the job.

[CelestaRosa]

just so you guys can understand my valid points here on why have no faith in healer devs
History lession

on stormblood - we expected another healer instead we got 2 dps jobs like this game. needed anymore dps but their we go. not saying it was bad idea. then wedged a godbert sized goldsmith nerf hammer firmly in skull of whms. while buffing you both
on shadowbringers - again we hoping for fourth healer. instead we got tank and another dps -_- it dont care if ranged dps its still a dps. yoshi p says make whm easier. feel another godbert hammer coming
- when i hear that their reworking healers. parton me if am not excited about it. fuck am cringing in my boots. what abilities they gonna take from whms and give to asta/shm
cause ya know..
asta/sch are only healers in ff14

am i looking forward to shadowbringers as a healer.. hell no already preparing healer or whm tombstone

[lordcruxis]

just so you guys can understand my valid points here on why have no faith in healer devs
History lession

on stormblood - we expected another healer instead we got 2 dps jobs like this game. needed anymore dps but their we go. not saying it was bad idea. then wedged a godbert sized goldsmith nerf hammer firmly in skull of whms. while buffing you both
on shadowbringers - again we hoping for fourth healer. instead we got tank and another dps -_- it dont care if ranged dps its still a dps. yoshi p says make whm easier. feel another godbert hammer coming
- when i hear that their reworking healers. parton me if am not excited about it. fuck am cringing in my boots. what abilities they gonna take from whms and give to asta/shm
cause ya know..
asta/sch are only healers in ff14

am i looking forward to shadowbringers as a healer.. hell no already preparing healer or whm tombstone

It's not really a history lesson if only one of your points has happened, there's absolutely no point in getting worked up before the may live letter, absolutely nothing we do will change their mind until after the reveal the reworks and changes to the battle system.