Incoming Astra/Scholar Nerfs

[Veis_Alveare]

If you read my posts and others above you'll obviously find no one in conflict about wanting to rework WHM. When we say it's "not as bad as you think" we are referring to the end is nigh posts. My DPS post was just a correction to show that the imbalance lies within raid buffs not pDPS.

WHM mains whining like small children throwing a temper tantrum will not help anyone, all it does is anger people, and if being worried were all WHM mains were doing people wouldn't be so irritated at this point. I always prefer playing my WHM over AST so I'll always use it when we have 2 SCH's in the group, so I actually care about the reworks more then most healers.

I'm not saying you're specifically acting like a child, and I'm generalizing a lot of WHM posts in these forums, because things like this thread exist and it's not just OP who is doing this.

I don't really play WHM outside of Expert anymore since the AST QoL changes to CU and specifically the Malefic cast time reduction came through, it honestly makes AST feel more or less perfect. If it wasn't for BRD I would say AST is the best designed job in the game.

I think maybe this is becoming a bit of a mentality amongst people who main the other two healers to dismiss WHM concerns because it happens to be a simpler job. I'm not saying this is you specifically but it's something I've observed on the forums and Reddit for a long time now.

WHM has consistently been the weakest healer for 95% of the time or more since AST buffs in 3.4 - that's a solid two years and change of being last place. If WHM mains are fed up and paranoid about incoming changes... honestly how could anyone blame them? The class doesn't have to be a total dumpster fire when it's in competition with two of the best designed jobs in the game right now. Saying it's viable is fine but SCH and AST are miles ahead of just viable.

I'm not advocating for AST and SCH to be nerfed into the ground or anything, like I said I love playing AST specifically, but I'm just tired of seeing people act like WHM isn't in a bad place or hasn't been for literally years.

[Exiled_Tonberry]

There's more wrong with WHM other than not having utility (though this is the main issue). It doesn't do a single thing better than the other healers, is very clunky to play, too reliant on GCD healing.

Honestly the only way you can say WHM is fine is if you've never seriously played it.

[Lyth]

It's actually pretty hard to accurately gauge healer dps effectiveness based on percentile data, primarily because there are so many different ways that responsibility gets shared. It's really only at the higher percentiles that it actually gets competitive, and a lot of times you'll just find someone playing outrageously greedy at the expense of their co-healer. Cherry picking a random percentile (especially the 75th, although it's hard to tell if the second screenshot is even taken at the same percentile) is probably not all that useful.

Of course, it's good to know that WHM is almost as competitive as SCH and AST, prior to taking raid buffs like Balance and Chain Stratagem into account. After all, who pays attention to trivial things like raid buffs? Surely that's balanced enough. I mean, look at all those enmity reduction buffs WHM got in 4.5. What more could you ask for?

If you want to fix healer balance, there are four things that you need to do:
1) Cap barrier shields off at a max value, and have your shield total decay rapidly over time so that you actually have to think about when you want to shield.
2) Remove LB generation from shielding.
3) Tone back oGCD healing.
4) Tone back raid dps buffs on healers (or just remove them, and turn that into a dps player responsibility).

[Ftail]

I mean, look at all those enmity reduction buffs WHM got in 4.5. What more could you ask for?

Patch Notes 4.5 https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...0cf2b912d71121

Assize:
Recast time has been reduced from 60 to 45 seconds.
Potency has been increased from 300 to 400.
Healing potency has been increased from 300 to 400.

I mean who pays attention to stuff like having your DPS increased in a patch when you can pretend it never happened?

[Ftail]

There's more wrong with WHM other than not having utility (though this is the main issue). It doesn't do a single thing better than the other healers, is very clunky to play, too reliant on GCD healing.

Honestly the only way you can say WHM is fine is if you've never seriously played it.

My suggestion from several months ago was to make Chain Strategem from SCH a roleclass skill for only WHM & SCH.

Also it does a single useless thing better then the other two healers, it's capable of pushing out a uselessly unneeded amount of HPS. Not really sure what SE was thinking. Like I stated earlier the DPS post was only to show that in my opinion the only thing WHM is missing is some sorta raid buff.

One more thing on the page before, when the person said "fine" they were also calling a core utlity of WHM "useless". You won't find a single person on this thread who doesn't see any issues with WHM.