(Savage) People give up way too easily...

[Daniolaut]

Not necessarily. I don’t waste time in parties that wipe to the one of the first mechanics of a given fight because how are they going to handle the mechanics later on if they can’t do the first one correctly? And I know a lot of people that have that same mindset—that’s less about parses and more about not wanting to waste time in a party that can’t do mechanics properly.


I also really hate this argument about JP versus NA/EU with regards to Savage clears and clear rates.

So what if JP have higher clear rates? A lot of them do the content purely because they view it as content they need to do. Meanwhile, people on NA/EU don’t do Savage simply because they don’t want to do it. Neither mindset is right or wrong; it’s all down to personal preference, and what people want out of the game. Some want to do everything the devs release. Others more would rather focus on things they enjoy—be they more casual aspects of the game, things like roleplaying or decorating housing, Gold Saucer, whatever.


My post had nothing to do with JP versus NA/EU mindsets with regards to tackling content nor parsers, so please do not twist it into that. I was simply addressing why some players prefer to do certain strats with specific roles. There’s nothing wrong about caring about uptime.

You can hate the argument all you want, but as was stated in that podcast, the numbers dont lie.

JP players talk about wipes, take time to teach new players, and work together.

NA/EU only care about their numbers on Fflogs.

Because of that, the clears for NA/EU are significantly lower.

But they used to care about clears.. they used to talk, they used to help each other, but its a dying breed of NA/EU players.

So if you dont have the patience (not specifically talking about farm parties, but in general) then the playerbase is going to degrade over time. Which is also prevalent within the playerbase. I've watched the player base go from taking 3 healers into titan hard mode fights, and kitting mobs in First Coil turn 3, to players purposefully taking aoe hits to get more uptime, and watching the playerbase lose patience, and their clear rates drop and drop.

[HyoMinPark]

You can hate the argument all you want, but as was stated in that podcast, the numbers dont lie.

JP players talk about wipes, take time to teach new players, and work together.

NA/EU only care about their numbers on Fflogs.

Because of that, the clears for NA/EU are significantly lower.

So if you dont have the patience (not specifically talking about farm parties, but in general) then the playerbase is going to degrade over time. Which is also prevalent within the playerbase. I've watched the player base go from taking 3 healers into titan hard mode fights, and kitting mobs in First Coil turn 3, to players purposefully taking aoe hits to get more uptime, and watching the playerbase lose patience, and their clear rates drop and drop.

Not everyone on NA/EU care only about FFLogs. Don’t use absolutes—there are plenty that just want to clear the content; they don’t care how long it takes, what their performance looks like, etc.. As long as they clear, that’s all they care about. I’ve been in 2 statics exactly like that, and I have a good friend that’s in one like that right now. On the other hand, there are statics that want to optimize, and there is nothing wrong with that. Personally, I enjoy the optimization, and pushing my job to do the most it can do. That is what it is fun for me.

Conversely, there are just as many players on JP who do participate in FFLogs leaderboards. There’s nothing wrong with that if that’s what they want to do. So, your point is, what? Like I said, a lot of people on NA/EU do not want to even do Savage, and there is nothing wrong with that. They don’t have to do it. Meanwhile, JP see it as something that needs to be done because it’s in the game.

I feel like you’re just here to start an argument about how JP are inherently superior over NA/EU just because more of them clear Savage, and I have no interest in such an argument. I don’t think either side is better than the other—they just have different mindsets, priorities, and goals. Almost like they’re different kinds of individuals.

People are free to participate or not participate in Savage as much as they want—and they are free to have whatever goals they want.



With regards to me not wanting to waste time, I don’t have a lot of time to play when classes are in session. Pardon if I would rather not waste a few hours wiping to the same fight in a farm party (I mention farm parties because the OP of this thread is explicitly talking about a party they set up for [Loot], which would imply “farm” and not “clear”/“learning”) trying to get a few clears in. As I said in a previous post, I give it three pulls. If we wipe three times—especially if its to the same mechanic—then I’m out.

There’s a time and place for helping, and a time and place for learning—weekly two-chest runs and farm runs are not the place for learning the content, and players should not be teaching other players how to do mechanics (or perform their roles properly) in a farm party. That is reserved for learning parties (and they should honestly know their role far before they ever venture into content like Savage).

If I sign up for a weekly two-chest run or a farm run for Savage (and this goes to EX as well), I expect players to know what they’re doing. That generally involves both mechanics and performing their role correctly. If I get in there and see people messing up the same mechanic multiple times, it’s not a farm. There’s clearly some learning that still needs to be done. Learning parties are different, where I actively expect wipes and actively expect people to not know everything there is to know about the fight. I tend to stick around as long as the party is together for learning if I have the time to spare.