(Savage) People give up way too easily...

[Maverick_Haas]

So, I start a [Loot][Duty complete] for o11s. It takes about 30-40 minutes to fill.

First pull, the party wipes in about 3 minutes because someone was misplaced, sometimes happens, that's okay we'll go again and do it ri.....

[Light Party]

-_- Half the party leaves. Okay... I guess I'll wait another 30-40 minutes. Party fills up again. Okay, let's go.

First pull, the run was a bit rough, and we wiped, but we got past panto 2 and if we just do a few more pulls, we'll definitely clear... right?

[Light Party]

fffffffff...

Some people don't understand that, sometimes you gotta keep pushing forward to complete something that's supposed to be hard. If you expect to clear o11s on the first pull, in a pug group, you are going to be completely disappointed.

Guys, please continue pulls. At least give it 30 minutes of your time. Unless someone is completely clueless or is the sole reason you keep wiping, you should never leave after the initial few pulls. Get a few in so everyone acclimates to the pug.

Otherwise, just don't do o11s. You're wasting not only your time, but everyone else's time.

[Callinon]

I've seen people do this in Normal Raid Roulette.

Like, oh I'm sorry, did all 8 of us not remember how to perfectly execute this 3-year old fight on the first try?

I hate people. People are the worst.

[Doozer]

People will quit any duty that isn't a light party dungeon if they wipe. It's funny because they claim to be super hardcore Professional Players but give up as soon as they fail once. It's amazing that they get anything done.

[LalaRu]

... they claim to be super hardcore Professional Players ...

If really they are, I guess they will do that content with their static, not pug. Too much people "buying" savage gear to boast then skills they don't have.

[Nora_of_Mira]

If really they are, I guess they will do that content with their static, not pug. Too much people "buying" savage gear to boast then skills they don't have.

I'm not sure if you're saying these 2 things are the same?

I'm the type to only run with my static because the PUGs often use strats I haven't practiced, so if I do run with PUGs I'll run with a learning/clear party in PF just to warm up. but buying savage gear? Idk how often I've ever seen that.

[HyoMinPark]

It honestly depends on what the wipe is to, and how many times it happens. I give parties advertised as [Loot][Duty Complete] three pulls before I bail. I expect players to know what they’re doing when parties are advertised like that, and if it’s 3 wipes to the same mechanic, I can understand the frustration. It’s like when I was doing o8s in PF when they unlocked Sigmascape and kept getting parties that wiped to Second Forsaken every time...

[KarstenS]

I expect players to know what they’re doing when parties are advertised like that

Not every day is the same as earlier days.

You know what do to? You did it earlier? Doesn't matter when the day is not yours.

I did Alphascape in a static. We cleared it in the 3rd ID. So I would say we are not that bad.

After this the weekly rekills were done.

Our best was around an hour for all 4 turns.

Sometimes we needed 2 evenings to get it done.

On other days we needed an entire timer just to pass Midgardsormr.

Not every day is the same, even if you know the fight like your pocket.

[HyoMinPark]

Not every day is the same as earlier days.

You know what do to? You did it earlier? Doesn't matter when the day is not yours.

I did Alphascape in a static. We cleared it in the 3rd ID. So I would say we are not that bad.

After this the weekly rekills were done.

Our best was around an hour for all 4 turns.

Sometimes we needed 2 evenings to get it done.

On other days we needed an entire timer just to pass Midgardsormr.

Not every day is the same, even if you know the fight like your pocket.

Not sure what you’re trying to say here. Unless you’re implying that people can know mechanics one day and then suddenly forget them the next. It’s one thing to have a brain fart and blanking once—quite another to die to the same mechanic multiple times in a row.

[Nora_of_Mira]

Not every day is the same as earlier days.

my static had the same problems. Some weeks we'd one shot every boss in Alphascape and be done with raiding on tuesday. Other weeks, we'd fudge up Middy or Omega for the entire lockout.

But that doesn't mean we didn't know the mechanics, we all had different levels of distraction, sleep loss, w/e. we didnt blame any one thing, just kept going. But even so, that's not what Hyomin is talking about.

This mentality is not what happens in Japan. Read my above statements. They stand in line and wait for clogged duties and help players and work as a team. The NA community used to as wel. I’m only asking that we at least attempt to work together but instead these are the responses being provided.
“You shouldn’t be doing savage.”

I'm not in Japan or play on Japan servers, so I don't really care. I agree this is how NA runs hard content. I believe it is to everyone's benefit to know how the majority plays said content and learn to adapt to it if you want to be accepted, recruited, and clear said content. OR you can keep fighting the good fight and convince people to be more like Japan. I find my static to be very team oriented since we try to help everyone approve, we teach each other content, we go over strats at length, etc . but that's again, just 1 static's experience.

[Kurando]

Some players despite them having prior clears are weakest links, but usually it doesn't make a big deal in a group that is able to make up for that weakness (especially with overgearing) whether it's pug or static. When such players then go to join random parties and end up getting matched up with possible other weak links does it then be more apparent that the group may not get very far unless everyone actually knows what they are doing with very few mistakes. If a group wipes early several times, the experienced players often leave because they know if it's a lost cause whilst the weaker ones bail knowing they weren't going to get a simple carry. Well carry probably isn't the correct word as everyone needs to play a part, but you get the idea of what is meant by it.