Genderlock reminder to SE

[BillyKaplan]

That being said, the new race will definitely entice new people into joining and sticking around.

In part. But we've already seen posts from people who joined the game because they heard Viera was coming, only to be disheartened by it lacking males. That can really make the new car smell wear off quick for some people.

[Alucard135]

In part. But we've already seen posts from people who joined the game because they heard Viera was coming, only to be disheartened by it lacking males. That can really make the new car smell wear off quick for some people.

Someone that joined just to play male Viera and then left isn't really a loss to SE nor are they the targeted customers, since races are not what SE is showcasing for FFXIV in all their trailers.

Those that were playing a long time and left for male Viera on the other hand, will be back as soon as the expansion drops. Because what made them stick around all these years is still there. If not, then the game was already not proving to be worth of their subscription for a long time and they decided that it's time to finally quit.

[BillyKaplan]

Someone that joined just to play male Viera and then left isn't really a loss to SE nor are they the targeted customers, since races are not what SE is showcasing for FFXIV in all their trailers. Those that were playing a long time and left for male Viera on the other hand, will be back as soon as the expansion drops. Because what made them stick around all these years is still there. If not, then the game was already not proving to be worth of their subscription for a long time and they decided that it's time to finally quit

Why bother making new races, then? By your logic, the people who were here until now will continue to be here with or without Viera of any gender, and with or without Hroth. By that logic there's also no need to listen to any player request because they're supposedly doing just fine anyway, other than people who couldn't be satisfied anyway - but both Viera and Hroths are in the game in any capacity because people asked for them.
And if it's not meant to draw in new customers, then... why? Sounds like a waste of resources, especially when people have been clamoring for better character creation options for years.

[LaylaTsarra]

Why bother making new races, then? By your logic, the people who were here until now will continue to be here with or without Viera of any gender, and with or without Hroth. By that logic there's also no need to listen to any player request because they're supposedly doing just fine anyway, other than people who couldn't be satisfied anyway - but both Viera and Hroths are in the game in any capacity because people asked for them.
And if it's not meant to draw in new customers, then... why? Sounds like a waste of resources, especially when people have been clamoring for better character creation options for years.

New races are important to many but seriously the un sub card gets pretty old. It's really tired and worn out on this forum. Been listening to that tune since i got here 5 years ago. i am happy they made new ones but it'd certainly not affect my playing this game if I didn't get any or ones that i wanted. There is way too much here to just toss it away.

[BillyKaplan]

Been listening to that tune since i got here 5 years ago.

I'm gonna remix that but in a way you probably already heard too - a lot of people who unsub over these things don't come tooting their horns on the forums. They just leave.

[LaylaTsarra]

I'm gonna remix that but in a way you probably already heard too - a lot of people who unsub over these things don't come tooting their horns on the forums. They just leave.

Yes they do but stop waving it like a flag. it's a worn out tired meme and you need to give it a rest.

[BillyKaplan]

Yes they do buy stop waving it like a flag. it's a worn out tired meme and you need to give it a rest.

You are free to add me to the ignore list if it bothers you that much. But them's the facts as you yourself admitted, as much as it doesn't fit the "no one really unsubs over this" narrative people have going here

[Wynn_Storm]

Why bother making new races, then? By your logic, the people who were here until now will continue to be here with or without Viera of any gender, and with or without Hroth.

People were fine with it. People who had been playing for a long time had no new expectations of a new race until now. Yoshi said Au Ra would be the last race to be added to the game. So when Viera were announced it was a complete surprise to everyone. And Hrothgar being added is an even bigger surprise. Two new races when he said no more new races. But even if they weren't added i don't think it would have made or break the game.

Also you are grasping at straws when you said that we shouldn't request anything. Quality of life improvements can always be added. Things to improve the game can always be added. Depending on who you ask a new race being added to the game could be seen as a hindrance.

I think your statement of new players joining solely for the expectation of male viera and then unsubbing is very weak.

[Alucard135]

Why bother making new races, then? By your logic, the people who were here until now will continue to be here with or without Viera of any gender, and with or without Hroth. By that logic there's also no need to listen to any player request because they're supposedly doing just fine anyway, other than people who couldn't be satisfied anyway - but both Viera and Hroths are in the game in any capacity because people asked for them.
And if it's not meant to draw in new customers, then... why? Sounds like a waste of resources, especially when people have been clamoring for better character creation options for years.

Because there are people who'd pay for fantasia to change races or change facial features from existing players. The second most sold item on Mogstation is Phial of Fantasia. A new player would have to pay for the base game+the expansions if they wanted to play that race. And I doubt that a good chunk that can be considered a loss to SE would do that. If the demand for new races was considered profitable to SE, they would it. But they would reach a point where it becomes impossible to gain profit from the cost associated with having more races, and hence why we're not getting a new race after Viera and Hrothgar.

New people who ware only interested in races, are not the target audience of the game, since races are not the core content of FFXIV, else we'd get a new race every now and then not just based on profitable demand. Just check these trailers for the free trial that they make to draw new people to the game. Are they focusing on races? Nope. Even HW one that had Au ra had no mention of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PMUgOxhCVw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBjOs4ZgMY4

As you can see from the trailers, the core focus is on MSQ, dungeons, raids, etc. since that's what the majority of people are interested in.

[Acesfool]

A new player would have to pay for the base game+the expansions if they wanted to play that race.

Just want to point out that they'd just have to buy ARR and Shadowbringers. HW and Stormblood come free with the Shadowbringers purchase.