Quote Originally Posted by Melichoir View Post
Best of my recollection, the only lore about male Viera in FFXIV is hearsay from a background NPC. That's it. That is, by and large, flimsy lore on quite a few accounts. First, from the dev side of things, they literally had the similar kind of lore for male miqote, and here we are, years later, wtih male miqotes running around doing stuff. So to say the lore is 'concrete' and the devs have no way to change it is a pretty weak position.

A second point, from the dev position, is the devs have already stated that even in game NPCs can be wrong about lore. Meaning, some background NPC talking about male viera doesnt make it the 'word of god' and therefore inexplicably unquestionable. So there's that. And lastly, even the lore GIVEN from the NPC is also very limited and written in a fashion that can easily allow for change. As many people have already said, only a fwe one liners can change whether or not we see male viera, and those explanations are extremely plausible in FFXIV. And consistency isnt a good point, btw, because we dont see RDMs or SAMs until lvl 50+ content technically but I can run into them in dungeons where the game literally states "gather other adventurers to help you". This implies REALLY heavily that for a samurai to be in your party, theyre there. Same with DRK, or any other post ARR classes. Theres going to be some wierd inconsistencies with added facets. That's just accepted. I mean how do you explain Fantasia? A magic potion which changes your appearance and retroactively alters the memories of all existence (including demi gods) to remember you that way? Really then.

And before the "Well IN FFXI/TACTICS/ETC", just stop. Those are separate games and unless otherwise directly stated from the devs, their lore isnt our lore in FFXIV. The only lore that matters to FFXIV is the lore in FFXIV for FFXIV. That's it. Bringing up lore from other games to explain a separate game is like using lore about elves from one fantasy novle to explain lore about elves in a completley unrelated novel. They borrow general ideas, but they're not the same.



Youre arguing semantics. I explained this. Genderlock is in reference to player position, not dev position, where players are 'locked' into one gender upon choosing the race. Stop trying to redefine it. Even if were all talking to the same end goal, redefining what people mean when they say genderlock is unproductive and doesn't do anything to push the conversation forward. In this case, its attempting to derail the conversation rather than address the crux of the issue.
I'm not going to have you tell me what is unproductive and what isn't. I was addressing the OP not you. I am well aware of what a "Genderlock" is and what it refers to. Unfortunately, demanding these things to be implemented without expecting a reasonable timeframe is obviously apparent in this thread. It's not happening prior to release, though there are some that seem to have their hopes as having that being a feasible possibility. It isn't.

This is why we are "arguing semantics" because people are arguing as if there is a literal "lock" on the genders, and the OP suggests that as such.

I'm not redefining anything, as I'm aware of the term, but it's obviously being misused to put unnecessary pressure on the development team.

We don't even need new races, but we got them, enjoy what is available or make a reasonable request to have something developed and implemented.

Even if it's "player position" don't act like the reality of the implementation has anything to do with "unlocking" or "removing a lock" and not actually committing development resources to make it happen, as that is the most pragmatic means to which to make the request.

The crux of the issue is that the development team decided to give us two races rather than one race with two genders. They made that choice based on audience feedback wanting both Viera and a more Beastial race.

In know way is this a derail, but a tempering of expectations and it absolutely is necessary in order to provide a reasonable request so that we not only move the conversation forward, which is peppered in plenty of other threads on these very forums, but to actually get them implemented.